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Currituck imposing new beach parking fees

Currituck imposing new beach parking fees




I figured this would happen eventually but I didn't realize it would be this soon. It sounds as if folks will have to pay for beach driving/parking in the Northern beaches beginning May 1.

www.dailyadvance.com/News/2018/02/05/Currituck-to-impose-beach-parking-fee-May-1.html


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Hmm - I envision lots of questions.

So do I need a pass for all my cars? What if I have several cars capable of driving in the 4x4 area? Do I need one for each or is it transferable?

Can an owner buy an annual permit and leave it at the house for renters? Or will every renter need to buy one?

Is it also required for parking South of the 4x4 area during the off season?

How long is it before considered parking? If I stop to look through a small shell bed but leave the car running is it parking?

I'll buy one regardless but it definitely will be a consideration when we go to the 4x4 area with friends and need an extra car.


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is this only for the 4x4 beaches, or the entirety of the currituck beaches (i.e. parking at the public accesses by the lighthouse and pine island)? im fine with it either way - the 4x4 beaches in particular have become absurdly crowded and chock full of folks drinking too much and driving like fools, or wandering out into the travel lanes on the beach without a care in the world.


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This is a parking fee, not a pass-through fee, so it won’t keep out joyriders. It doesn’t sound like the county is implementing it to raise revenue as much as reduce congestion on the beach. Sounds like they have quite a few logistical issues to figure out.

In the 30 years that I’ve been coming down to OBX I’ve never been north of Corolla Light, but I imagine that since the NPS started charging for permits traffic has shifted northward for folks interested in recreationally four wheeling on the beach. Doesn’t sound like this will do much to stop that.


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seems like it will make for less summer rentals in that area, which sounds like what the commissioners want.


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I can appreciate the need for some order on these beaches if they are becoming more crowded. I can also see where it can easily become dangerous for those enjoying a day on the beach with a constant flow of uncontrolled traffic joy-riding on the beach. However, It seems like they need to really be working on the logistics of this. It seems rather quickly implemented, without a lot of input or thought.

I do have to think it is a typical government idea. Charge a fee to discourage people from driving on the beach to control crowds. Then this happens: "Oops, that means our staff will be overworked issuing the permits. Hmmm, lets hire a new person to handle the permits. Wow, that gets expensive and now they are a government employee and need benefits. Who would have guessed the employee and all of the costs to implement the program are costing more than the permits take in. Wait, lets charge more. Oh no, now people aren't coming and we need to fund the tourism office more to make up for the loss of revenue from the declining tourist dollars." Typical government waste. Big government, more rules and the nanny state never help anything.

Oh, and I don't have a dog in this fight. I never go to those beaches and so it will never affect me. It is just interesting to think about the long term effects.


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Why a 10-day pass? Most are only here for a week or two.


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We have been visiting OBX for 16 years now. We visit a different home in a different village each year. Several years back we stayed in Carova. It was a lovely visit however we spent less time on the beach that year. The weather was perfect but that traffic on the beach was horrid. Maybe due to the 4th of July holiday but it cured my curiosity of staying in the 4x4 only area. Never again. From then on it has been as far south as we can get.


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We have been visiting OBX for 16 years now. We visit a different home in a different village each year. Several years back we stayed in Carova. It was a lovely visit however we spent less time on the beach that year. The weather was perfect but that traffic on the beach was horrid. Maybe due to the 4th of July holiday but it cured my curiosity of staying in the 4x4 only area. Never again. From then on it has been as far south as we can get.

BeachLuvr4ever


Again, I've only seen the 4x4 area from the air, but what seems to work down in Hatteras is that parked vehicles serve as a barrier to swimmers. As I understand in the 4x4 area, folks park above the high water mark but traveling vehicles drive on the hard pack. That seems to make a safety issue for people going in and out of the water. As I understand, they're moving vehicle traffic to the softpack behind the parked cars, at least during the middle of the day during the summer. Seems like they might want to implement that before preceding with a pay-to-park scheme at this point.


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The weather was perfect but that traffic on the beach was horrid. Maybe due to the 4th of July holiday but it cured my curiosity of staying in the 4x4 only area. Never again.

BeachLuvr4ever


That's always been my thinking. Having to dodge traffic and sit and stare at vehicles and listen to the engines sort of ruins my idea of a beach experience. I love Corolla where once you climb over the dune, you enter into this perfect enclave of the ocean and the beach.


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Other questions:
What if you are renting a house in the 4X4 area, but are a few blocks from the beach - would you need to buy a pass to drive and park on the beach?

What if you are just joyriding for the day and cross the dune and park on the sand road behind the dune - would this be free since you are not parking on the beach?

Seems like this will produce a lot of questions and cause a lot of people to look for ways to avoid the fee.

This would have been easier to enforce if they simply charged a fee for driving on the beach, with free passes for owner's and their guests.


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Why a 10-day pass? Most are only here for a week or two.

bobbyg


I can only assume that’s done to accommodate the renter who extends his/her stay by adding on a day or two on either side of week.
NPS Beaches also have a 10-day $ 50. Pass, or an annual $ 120. Pass.


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is this only for the 4x4 beaches, or the entirety of the currituck beaches? im fine with it either way - the 4x4 beaches in particular have become absurdly crowded and chock full of folks drinking too much and driving like fools, or wandering out into the travel lanes on the beach without a care in the world.

miinx


Exactly- the joy riders that used to go to Oregon Inlet have moved up there to avoid the NPS permit. It has made the inlet much more enjoyable by default. I tried to explain that to Mr HatterasNC on another thread but he didn't want to hear it.... Whistle


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We used to stay in the 4wd area a lot but it has gotten so crowded even in May that we aren't anymore... Part of the appeal was the seclusion, but every year it seems like the traffic on the beach gets worse, and we always go the same week. So due to that and the fact that the house we always rent is no longer available, this year we're just staying in Corolla proper to see how we like it.

I don't really mind buying the permit to go up there and fish though.


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At what point does Currituck decide to put in a road and get the vehicles off the beach?


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is this only for the 4x4 beaches, or the entirety of the currituck beaches? im fine with it either way - the 4x4 beaches in particular have become absurdly crowded and chock full of folks drinking too much and driving like fools, or wandering out into the travel lanes on the beach without a care in the world.

miinx


Exactly- the joy riders that used to go to Oregon Inlet have moved up there to avoid the NPS permit. It has made the inlet much more enjoyable by default. I tried to explain that to Mr HatterasNC on another thread but he didn't want to hear it.... Whistle

Jighead


Jig, I heard you. smiley with shades
Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I didn't want to hear it. You, sir, are welcome to your opinion and I agree with this one. Some of the knuckleheads have moved north.
We saw this coming back in 2012 with the Final Rule and permits on Hattress, figuring folks would turn left in kitty hawk, and it happened. On Hattress, Thankfully, relief and improvements have occurred. It's still a long way over the Bonner, thankfully.
Be well.


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At what point does Currituck decide to put in a road and get the vehicles off the beach?

marylander


Hopefully never! I have my obvious reasons.


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Enforcing parking vs cruising is going to be a nightmare. Passes to get in is an easier solution but still difficult. There's only one entrance to that beach. All enforcement should occur there, not up and down the beach. Now it becomes an ENTRY Permit, not a PARKING permit. Owners get yearly stickers like the ATV permits. That system is already in place. Not sure how weekly passes would be issued for renters etc but perhaps by rental agencies or homeowners via mail, or at the office, or sent to a phone via text or email? Certainly a few logistics to work out. Fee collection would be an issue as well. Pay online and get a texted or emailed pass? Pay as you enter? In that parking lot near the end of 12? Lot's of things to work out, but having PARKING passes and not ENTRY passes, creates more moving traffic and doesn't address the issue of congestion on the beaches. Day-trippers probably won't pay $50 to park on the beach so that curbs that, but people will still drive up there to look at horses and drive around the neighborhoods if its free. Then will they park in the neighborhoods and walk to the beach? OMG! I have a vision of 30-40 cars parking on Albatross and an ant-like stream of people walking over that tall dune back and forth to the beach as more cars are climbing the steep dunes in both directions! Seems to me that needs to be addressed as well. People are creative when it comes to circumventing rules and I can see a whole lot of abuse coming. A whole lot of work to be done.


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Enforcing parking vs cruising is going to be a nightmare. Passes to get in is an easier solution but still difficult. There's only one entrance to that beach. All enforcement should occur there, not up and down the beach. Now it becomes an ENTRY Permit, not a PARKING permit. Owners get yearly stickers like the ATV permits. That system is already in place. Not sure how weekly passes would be issued for renters etc but perhaps by rental agencies or homeowners via mail, or at the office, or sent to a phone via text or email? Certainly a few logistics to work out. Fee collection would be an issue as well. Pay online and get a texted or emailed pass? Pay as you enter? In that parking lot near the end of 12? Lot's of things to work out, but having PARKING passes and not ENTRY passes, creates more moving traffic and doesn't address the issue of congestion on the beaches. Day-trippers probably won't pay $50 to park on the beach so that curbs that, but people will still drive up there to look at horses and drive around the neighborhoods if its free. Then will they park in the neighborhoods and walk to the beach? OMG! I have a vision of 30-40 cars parking on Albatross and an ant-like stream of people walking over that tall dune back and forth to the beach as more cars are climbing the steep dunes in both directions! Seems to me that needs to be addressed as well. People are creative when it comes to circumventing rules and I can see a whole lot of abuse coming. A whole lot of work to be done.

FiveOJoe


You're right. Bring a group, unpack your gear on the beach without "parking", drive over the dunes and park, walk back over the dunes to hang out. Reverse on the way out.


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The Deputies will also probably hate this rule too, unless they get a clear directive from the county attorney, etc. Lots of gray area. I say just make this an entry permit, sort of like the NPS beaches. That makes everything clear and easy to enforce... Not much wiggle room for freeloaders or rule-skirters. Residents and property owners get a low or no-cost yearly permit, and visitors pony up $50 to park, cruise or fish for 10 days. Make it so you can get them online and print them out at home.

I'm sure there is something I haven't thought of that could gum up the works but it makes the most sense I think.


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I have been saying for years that a Permit was needed. Far too many Joy Riders going up and down the beach all day long, that it has become dangerous for those who are swimming. With a single entry point to the beach it is easy to enforce as well.

In Delaware you can fish and drive on select beaches with a Permit. Cost used to be $75 a year, but I moved out of Delaware 13 years ago so this price could have gone up. The price ensured that the beaches did not become massive parking lots. They also enforced a rule that any vehicle parked on the beach had to be actively fishing. This kept the families out who just wanted to drive to the beach to swim.

As for the 10 day license? They do the same for Surf Fishing licenses, it gives you the ability to add days onto the front or back of your vacation.


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Why a 10-day pass? Most are only here for a week or two.

bobbyg


Simple. If people are there for only a week, they may have overpaid. If they are there for two weeks, they will have to purchased another pass. It's called generating revenue. Government entities have become experts in that field.


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I have an alternative proposal: why not just grab every tourist crossing the county line, hold them upside down and shake until everything falls loose, stamp SUCKER on their foreheads and send them on their way? Far more efficient. Currituck County already charges absurdly high taxes on renters up that way. And there's never a dime of it spent on improvements. Roads up in Carova are constantly flooded out, ramps are never graded, and contractors fly up and down the beach at 50 mph with no enforcement in sight.

So now I'm expected to pay again, on top of what I already pay in rental taxes, just for the privilege of reaching the home I've rented? And my guests will also have to pony up if they want to come stay a night or two? No thanks. If they implement this I'll take future trips further south. If Twiddy and others are watching this they had better get the lobbying machine in gear. This will put a major crimp in their business.


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And an interesting data point here: the guy apparently driving this is Bob White III. White happens to be the owner of Bob's Wild Horse Tours. What better way to increase profits than creating barriers for average people driving their families up for the day to look at the wildlife? This stinks to high heaven.


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