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Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Radical Ed - (Send PM)
Member Since: 6/21/2011
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Total Posts: 2548

Date Posted: 8/5/2016 6:06 AM




So what do you all think about the possibility of the Buccaneer Motel in Kitty Hawk (MP 12) becoming a drug/alcohol rehab for addicts?
I know some people have problems that need to be addressed but is a resort town the place to do it?
Often when an addict relapses they commit crimes and can be a danger to the public.

http://outerbanksvoice.com/2016/08/03/owners-seek-conversion-of-old-motel-into-a-treatment-center/

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RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: obxyz - (Send PM)
Member Since: 4/10/2011
Location: Pittsburgh
Total Posts: 1018

Date Posted: 8/5/2016 8:31 PM




Here's a whole bunch of feedback for ya from an older thread before your triumphant return.

www.obxconnection.com/outer-banks-forum/forum-thread.aspx?Thread=87011

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Radical Ed - (Send PM)
Member Since: 6/21/2011
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Date Posted: 8/5/2016 9:52 PM




Thank you very much! I was wondering why there was almost a hundred views and absolutely no answers.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: wayne - (Send PM)
Member Since: 1/16/2009
Location: kdh
Total Posts: 319

Date Posted: 8/6/2016 9:57 AM




Ed, in the original thread, I was surprised to see the amount of support for the facility. I wonder if the supporters would want to own/rent next door to it.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: obxyz - (Send PM)
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Location: Pittsburgh
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Date Posted: 8/6/2016 10:48 AM




From the sound of it some might just for a chance to see the potential celebrities. Everybody wants to think the worst, but it'll probably end up being the best behaved strip of beach around. They'll have plenty of staff around to keep everything in order. Plenty of staff = jobs. Sure some might be lower end, but those are in demand too. The higher ups should make good money which will be spent in the community on rent, stores, restaurants, services etc should be a net positive.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: KDHBreeze - (Send PM)
Member Since: 1/19/2016
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Date Posted: 8/6/2016 11:47 AM




Ed, in the original thread, I was surprised to see the amount of support for the facility. I wonder if the supporters would want to own/rent next door to it.



That's addressed in the earlier discussion as well.



RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Radical Ed - (Send PM)
Member Since: 6/21/2011
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Total Posts: 2548

Date Posted: 8/6/2016 12:08 PM




Well, reading the autobiography of the millionaire bass player in the rock band Motley Crue, this gentleman overdosed on heroin and was brought to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. He woke up later, ripped the IV out of his arm and ran away from the hospital in his gown.
Guess where he went?
To get more heroin.
Still shoeless and naked.
He found it, shot up, and through some twist of fate is still alive.

This is the type of person you'll find in a treatment center. Not exactly where I want to spend my vacation.


RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: colleen40 - (Send PM)
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Date Posted: 8/6/2016 12:38 PM




So when I lived in Rumson NJ (pretty nice place) they put a treatment /sober living house in the middle of a residential neighborhood right by a school bus stop. Two people overdosed and one of them died while residing there. Needless to say the homeowners and town was in an uproar. Bottom line between The American with Disabilities Act and FHA(Fair Housing Act) there is not much a town or homeowners can do. This has been fought in court already in almost every state and I believe up to the Supreme Court. It is cost prohibitive to fight against having a treatment place in a town and 99%of the time, the town loses. Also if a town changes zoning laws to try to prevent having one-that's a no no too. This also applies to homeless shelters FYI.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Robert - (Send PM)
Member Since: 2/7/2004
Location: The New Jersey Shore
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Date Posted: 8/7/2016 8:50 PM




So when I lived in Rumson NJ (pretty nice place) they put a treatment /sober living house in the middle of a residential neighborhood right by a school bus stop. Two people overdosed and one of them died while residing there. Needless to say the homeowners and town was in an uproar.



Remember that well Colleen....I live in Red Bank.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: lovingretirement - (Send PM)
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Date Posted: 8/8/2016 7:42 AM




In this case they are trying to change the zoning to allow it not to prevent it.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Gettysburg Lady - (Send PM)
Member Since: 5/4/2005
Location: Gettysburg, Pa
Total Posts: 2226

Date Posted: 8/8/2016 3:57 PM




OK friends - I have to lend a little more info to this question. First of all a treatment center is much different from a halfway house. If what they are proposing is a treatment center, then you should know that only people who want and need treatment will be there. Those who want to continue in their addiction will be asked to leave. Addiction is a treatable condition and people who get sober and clean are contributing members of society. I worked at a treatment center for about 3 yrs. and can tell you that the people who spent the time focusing on getting better returned to society as functioning members. That is a whole lot better than the alternative. Not many of us have lives that have not been affected by addiction. Alcohol and drug addicts are not skid row bums - they are husbands, mothers, fathers, wives, and children. It is not a disgrace its a disease!

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: colleen40 - (Send PM)
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Date Posted: 8/8/2016 4:44 PM




It is not a disgrace its a disease!
I never stated it was a disgrace. I was very careful not to make personal statements about the disease of addiction. I simply shared how the town residents reacted when a sober living house was placed in the town that I lived in.And what occurs when NIMBY happens. Did I say that I reacted that way? NO, not at all. You know why- because my loved ones are recovering.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: KDHBreeze - (Send PM)
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Date Posted: 8/9/2016 6:19 AM




NIMBY brings out the worst in people.

It's even worse in people who had full knowledge of commercially zoned parcels in their neighborhood, disregarded the fact that commercial uses can easily be modified to other commercial uses (vs. residential zoning being changed to commercial use), and feel burned by their own choices.

It also highlights how few people can actually identify most facilities vs. similar condo complexes, and that many people don't know that beach communities are always popular spots for them, for the same reasons they are popular for the rest of us.

I just hope this doesn't get uglier than it already has.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Gettysburg Lady - (Send PM)
Member Since: 5/4/2005
Location: Gettysburg, Pa
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Date Posted: 8/9/2016 8:13 AM




coleen40 - sorry you thought I was pointing to you with my remarks. I was not. I apologize if you were offended. My point was just that it seems that "not in my back yard" rises to the top whenever there is mention of drug/alcohol treatment. Addiction is such a huge problem in our country, we should all be asking why there aren't more treatment centers. Families are in crisis. I hope I've made it clear that I was not referencing anyone personally in my response.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Python73 - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/13/2012
Location: PGH, PA
Total Posts: 440

Date Posted: 8/9/2016 11:07 AM




Well, reading the autobiography of the millionaire bass player in the rock band Motley Crue, this gentleman overdosed on heroin and was brought to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. He woke up later, ripped the IV out of his arm and ran away from the hospital in his gown.
Guess where he went?
To get more heroin.
Still shoeless and naked.
He found it, shot up, and through some twist of fate is still alive.

This is the type of person you'll find in a treatment center. Not exactly where I want to spend my vacation.



Just out of curiosity... which part of someone shooting heroin and then deciding to shoot more heroin affects your vacation? Unless they are mugging you to afford their fix, which I can assure you wasn't a problem for Nikki Sixx.

I think it's a shame that we criminalize drugs the way we do. Billions of dollars spent on our "drug war" and all we have to show for it are richer and more corrupt officials/politicians and a lot of dead citizens that could have been helped with that money instead.

Legalize it, tax it, understand it, educate people about it. The world would be a better place. People will still choose to abuse [name substance here] and nothing will change that. But the end result will be very different.

Long and short for the OP: a clinic wouldn't affect my vacation in any way. Seems like a nice setting to get healthy in, and I agree with the local jobs angle.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Radical Ed - (Send PM)
Member Since: 6/21/2011
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Total Posts: 2548

Date Posted: 8/9/2016 4:24 PM




Through the law of averages, if you are in an area with more criminals and persons with uncontrollable compulsive disorders per square mile than one with none, your chances of being a victim increases exponentially. Don't forget, I'm not carrying a gun so I have less of a chance murdering another human than you do. If it's all the same to you, I'd rather be next to somebody's quiet grandparents for my week in solitude. I assure you, I don't bother a soul while I'm on vacation.


RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: SwampDuck - (Send PM)
Member Since: 7/21/2014
Location: Suffolk Virginia
Total Posts: 181

Date Posted: 8/10/2016 7:15 AM






I think it's a shame that we criminalize drugs the way we do. Billions of dollars spent on our "drug war" and all we have to show for it are richer and more corrupt officials/politicians and a lot of dead citizens that could have been helped with that money instead.

Legalize it, tax it, understand it, educate people about it. The world would be a better place. People will still choose to abuse [name substance here] and nothing will change that. But the end result will be very different.

Superb answer!!!

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: KDHBreeze - (Send PM)
Member Since: 1/19/2016
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Total Posts: 510

Date Posted: 8/10/2016 7:32 AM




Through the law of averages, if you are in an area with more criminals and persons with uncontrollable compulsive disorders per square mile than one with none, your chances of being a victim increases exponentially. Don't forget, I'm not carrying a gun so I have less of a chance murdering another human than you do. If it's all the same to you, I'd rather be next to somebody's quiet grandparents for my week in solitude. I assure you, I don't bother a soul while I'm on vacation.



You can see that already in the narcan use levels by OBX EMS, the ER visits, and the disproportionately widespread petty theft and vandalism relative to the general population.

The addition of 16 people in treatment (vs. the 150 plus motel patrons at any given time currently, with their own issues) isn't even statistically significant, except that they are less likely to be actively using.

Comparatively speaking, a 16 bed facility would provide better ratables, more income, and require less law enforcement resources than the hotel.

I can understand people preferring one business to another, just not the extremes in opinions.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: Python73 - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/13/2012
Location: PGH, PA
Total Posts: 440

Date Posted: 8/10/2016 10:40 AM




Don't forget, I'm not carrying a gun so I have less of a chance murdering another human than you do.



No, you have exactly the same chance as I do. You have less of a chance of murdering someone WITH A GUN maybe. And that's still statistically insignificant. I've been holding steady at zero murders for many years now. smiley

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: CoolBreezeKDH - (Send PM)
Member Since: 7/21/2015
Location: Midlothian
Total Posts: 42

Date Posted: 8/24/2016 10:10 PM




An interesting article from the LA Times describes the issues in a community that is home to one of the best rated treatment programs
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-rehab22jan22-story.html


RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: wayne - (Send PM)
Member Since: 1/16/2009
Location: kdh
Total Posts: 319

Date Posted: 9/12/2016 5:38 PM




I see that the Town Council denied the zoning amendment necessary for this to move forward.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: KDHBreeze - (Send PM)
Member Since: 1/19/2016
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Total Posts: 510

Date Posted: 9/12/2016 6:13 PM




That may not necessarily be good news for those worried it would have harmed the character of the neighborhood. commercial property owners have a tendency in these instances to regress to doing only the bare minimum maintenance and upkeep necessary to keep the cash flowing in and let the property drift to a point where the change is more favored.

It will be interesting to see if they sue the town. Certainly Mr. Gray's reading of the joint statement is supported and the council's reading is not. Would be interesting to see how it played out.

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: suzenmay - (Send PM)
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Date Posted: 10/22/2016 3:10 PM




Many of you may not be aware of this , but there actually happens to be a very affluent residential treatment facility in Corolla. It is called Two Dreams. I work in an in patient addiction and psychiatric center of a hospital and another therapist I know used to work here. It is self pay only - they do not accept insurance and I believe the rate for a 28 day stay was well over $20,000. In reading the article, the name mentioned the facility would be called Changing Tides Oceanfront Treatment Center. There is also a very affluent private facility in CA by the same name- may be part of the same ownership? There is also another facility currently in the OBX- Footprints in the Sand, which again is self pay and does not accept insurance. The problem is there are many facilities that are like these and believe me you are only getting a very upperclass type of clientele . Unfortunately, very few facilities exist that cater to the uninsured or even those on Medicaid(which currently doesn't even cover inpatient drug rehab in a hospital setting). I don't know which this will end up being but I'm sure the need is there and as I said with the other facilities they are already in residential communities and most people living there have no idea they even exist.


RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: mdabul - (Send PM)
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Date Posted: 10/22/2016 4:13 PM




"The problem is there are many facilities that are like these and believe me you are only getting a very upperclass type of clientele . "

Why is that a "problem"?

RE: Local motor court to become drug rehab
Posted By: suzenmay - (Send PM)
Member Since: 10/5/2016
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Date Posted: 10/23/2016 10:16 AM




As I stated before ,it's a problem because most people don't have $20,000 or more to spend for a month at rehab- many of these places are set up like the finest resorts with pools, spas, private chefs. I work in the Northern VA area and while the area itself may have more income than some other parts of the country, the majority of the patients we end up seeing are homeless, uninsured and have no supports or resources. We have very few programs that are funded thru the local counties to get people into and that creates a problem, because they just come back to detox-as that's all they can get into- then they're back out doing the same thing. We need more rehabs and programs for average people, not the wealthy.

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