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CHARTER CHOICES
Posted By: Dobie - (Send PM)
Member Since: 7/11/2017
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Total Posts: 26

Date Posted: 7/11/2017 11:55 PM




We plan to book a charter to go out to the gulf stream in late summer. I am hoping to get input from people on here that have had an experience with or have knowledge of any of the companies I have narrowed my list to. This would include you too , Pickles! We have been fishing in the ocean before on charters but this may be the last one for a while and also this time we want to go all the way out to the Gulf Stream.

We have narrowed it to THE OBSESSION, THE SEABREEZE and A-SALT WEAPON. Of course DOG HOUSE is also a contender since they are well known from Wicked Tuna and are obvious master fisherman, but the vessel is looking a little run down.

The things that we find important are of course the captain and mates experience and ability to find the fish as well as them being good people and are enjoyable to spend the day with. We want to a have a larger vessel (over 50') and would like it to be modern and in nice shape with state of the art safety as well as fish finding equipment.

The engines in these 3 boats have 1000Hp, a twin engine with 1650 Hp and lastly 2000HP. I would assume the larger the engine capacity would allow the boat to perform better and move faster. ( faster to get out to fish! )- correct me if Im wrong,

Thanks in advance for any opinions or experiences you are willing to share.

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Posted By: Pickle - (Send PM)
Member Since: 9/3/2009
Location: Kitty Hawk
Total Posts: 1973

Date Posted: 7/12/2017 7:03 AM




All good boats. I work with all these guys since besides owning a charterboat, I fix all their reels through Pop's Reel Repairs. No matter what you read on their Websites, Literature or heard all those Captains are PROFESSIONALS. The the difference in size or engine don't mean a thing. Actually, engine size/potential speed doesn't mean anything since each Captain likes to run his boat at the boat's "Sweet Spot" for engine performance. In other words a 60 footer is not necessarily faster than a 50 footer. Then the days Sea Conditions enter in to your comfort which will dictate speed. So rule out Engine Size. Next Boat Size. Amongst the four you mention that is also irrelevant. They are all Carolina Customs built to ride comfortably in Outer Banks Sea Conditions a 50 vs. 60 footer has little difference in our Sea Conditions. Now you might be swayed by Boat Amenities. Plush interior, seating, TV etc. Another Non Issue to Fishermen. The worse thing to use in selecting a boat is their media presentation (Web Site, Social Media, Print Advertising). All have good and bad days that's fishing. In addition more and more Charterboats are not owned by the Captains, as in the past. So are owned by "Deep Pocket" corporations and millionaires. Extensive, Expensive Advertising is a drop in the bucket and can be very misleading. So it comes down to the Captain, Mate and their Experience. The boats are located in three different Marinas. Sea Breeze in OIFC, Doghouse OBX Marina and the Obsession and A-Salt- Weapon at Pirates Cove. OIFC is closest to the Inlet by about 12 minutes. Your choice! Have fun.

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Posted By: Md.Chas - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/15/2012
Location: Parkville, Md
Total Posts: 2011

Date Posted: 7/12/2017 7:04 AM




If you plan on going out of Pirates Cove expect to spend $300.00 more then you would if going out of Oregon Inlet. Outer Banks Marina is the cheapest of the 3. I've been out on many boats from all 3 marinas and really don't have a favorite marina however, I do have my favorite boats. All of the Captains are very knowledgeable and will do their best to put you on fish. I do have my favorite boats to go out on for various reasons, which I'll PM you.

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Posted By: SwampDuck - (Send PM)
Member Since: 7/21/2014
Location: Suffolk Virginia
Total Posts: 220

Date Posted: 7/12/2017 1:34 PM




Pickle is the man with more knowlege than any on this forum about this subject.....but like Md.Chas said.... I will send you a PM with my personal experiences with one of the boats you mentioned.

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Posted By: Dobie - (Send PM)
Member Since: 7/11/2017
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Total Posts: 26

Date Posted: 7/12/2017 11:00 PM




Thanks everyone for your replies and PMs. I will check out all your recommendations. One thing I have checked are the prices. I'm not seeing the variation you mentioned. All are 1900-2000. + tip..

Appreciate your responses and time!



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Posted By: Mikec - (Send PM)
Member Since: 4/11/2014
Location: MD
Total Posts: 1110

Date Posted: 7/13/2017 12:40 AM




Wow, prices are higher up north. Several of the 50'+ boats out of Hatteras are $1,600 and one is $1,700.

A few weeks back I was on a make up charter out of Hatteras, the boat had a TV and DVD player, never was touched. The XM music was nice but I think the captain controlled it.

The OP mentioned a boat that was on "Wicked Tuna", does anyone know how the boats get on the show? Do the boats pay to be on? Be willing to deal with a camera crew?

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Posted By: Pickle - (Send PM)
Member Since: 9/3/2009
Location: Kitty Hawk
Total Posts: 1973

Date Posted: 7/13/2017 7:09 AM




Boats are actually auditioned for Wicked Tuna. There are casting calls in the local papers. The show is heavily, heavily scripted. Taping is also edited severely. You can actually see different color water and wave action within several minutes of footage. Don't believe all you see. Boats get paid, but only if their footage is used. Production company/crew are here for several months and only need a predetermined amount of Fish Footage. Numbers are not exact. They have to make it interesting so they can actually piece something together to make you look good or an idiot. I guess being a local charter boat owner, I lost interest after the first season.

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Posted By: Md.Chas - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/15/2012
Location: Parkville, Md
Total Posts: 2011

Date Posted: 7/13/2017 7:58 AM




Dobie, Whatever you decide, I hope you have better luck than us...we've been blown out 3 times this year so far, the last time being last Saturday. Hopefully our Sept. trip will let us get out to the blue water.

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Posted By: Pickle - (Send PM)
Member Since: 9/3/2009
Location: Kitty Hawk
Total Posts: 1973

Date Posted: 7/13/2017 8:00 AM




Most people don't know but Oregon Inlet Fishing Center is "Price Fixed" , no variation in price for ease in booking. Pirates Cove is also "Price Fixed" with a baseline set by the Captains, but they prices do go up on some boats. OBX Marina is totally flexible. Offshore starts at about $1500 and goes up to $1900. Offshore Boats range from 35 feet to 60 feet. Please remember it is customary to provide a gratuity to the mate (15 to 20%) and Fish Cleaning Services are extra. So on top of the boat you can lay out $350 or more. To me it doesn't make sense for a party staying in Corolla or Duck to drive 2 hours to Hatteras to save for example $150, maybe a little more.

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Posted By: Md.Chas - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/15/2012
Location: Parkville, Md
Total Posts: 2011

Date Posted: 7/13/2017 9:56 AM




If you plan on going out of Pirates Cove expect to spend $300.00 more then you would if going out of Oregon Inlet. Outer Banks Marina is the cheapest of the 3. I've been out on many boats from all 3 marinas and really don't have a favorite marina however, I do have my favorite boats. All of the Captains are very knowledgeable and will do their best to put you on fish. I do have my favorite boats to go out on for various reasons, which I'll PM you.

I should clarify this post by saying the boat we used to use out of Pirates Cove bumped his price a few years ago to $2,200.00 which was more than we were willing to pay for the extra 8 miles each way to the Bonner bridge.

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Posted By: smlobx - (Send PM)
Member Since: 6/13/2011
Location: Hatteras Village
Total Posts: 916

Date Posted: 7/13/2017 5:15 PM




Another interesting point is that the boats in Hatteras are closer to the Gulf Stream than anywhere else...
Food for thought...

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Posted By: chief5130 - (Send PM)
Member Since: 10/8/2013
Location: Melbourne FL / Corolla
Total Posts: 1071

Date Posted: 7/13/2017 6:36 PM




... The show is heavily, heavily scripted. Taping is also edited severely. You can actually see different color water and wave action within several minutes of footage. ....



Just like the movie Jaws.

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Posted By: Mikec - (Send PM)
Member Since: 4/11/2014
Location: MD
Total Posts: 1110

Date Posted: 7/13/2017 9:47 PM




Another interesting point is that the boats in Hatteras are closer to the Gulf Stream than anywhere else...
Food for thought...



True but do you want to get up at 3-3:15am to leave by 3:30 to get to a Hatteras marina for a 5:30-5:45am boat boarding if you are up north? I do know a guy who drove from Rodanthe for an inshore charter out of Hatteras. The guy was concerned about fishing with kids and the Hatteras captain gave him what he thought were the right answers.

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Posted By: Python73 - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/13/2012
Location: PGH, PA
Total Posts: 480

Date Posted: 7/14/2017 9:17 AM




True but do you want to get up at 3-3:15am to leave by 3:30 to get to a Hatteras marina for a 5:30-5:45am boat boarding if you are up north?



Our very first OBX charter was out of Hatteras and we were staying in Corolla! Who knew? Last time we ever stayed in Corolla for many reasons, but not the last time we chartered out of HI. As long as the Free Agent runs out of HI we'll be driving down there to fish.

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Posted By: Dobie - (Send PM)
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Date Posted: 7/16/2017 12:07 AM




OP HERE. So how much longer ,miles/time is it to drive to Hattarass from nags head area marina. It's beneficial to have less time in the sound and more in the ocean, especially if the charter cost less. However, if it's too much further that may be a differnt story. BTW, we stay in north swan beach so we already have quite a drive.

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Posted By: Brad Z - (Send PM)
Member Since: 2/13/2016
Location: Alexandria VA/ Frisco NC
Total Posts: 864

Date Posted: 7/16/2017 12:38 AM




OP HERE. So how much longer ,miles/time is it to drive to Hattarass from nags head area marina. It's beneficial to have less time in the sound and more in the ocean, especially if the charter cost less. However, if it's too much further that may be a differnt story. BTW, we stay in north swan beach so we already have quite a drive.



Hatteras village is about an hour past the Bonner early in the morning with no traffic.

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Posted By: Mikec - (Send PM)
Member Since: 4/11/2014
Location: MD
Total Posts: 1110

Date Posted: 7/16/2017 1:45 AM




Don't forget construction on the new bridge, are there still delays on the Bonner due to lane closures?



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Posted By: Pickle - (Send PM)
Member Since: 9/3/2009
Location: Kitty Hawk
Total Posts: 1973

Date Posted: 7/16/2017 7:37 AM




Northern Charter Fleet (OBX Marina, Oregon Inlet, Pirates Cove) vs. Hatteras. You folks are not considering several other important facts to make a valid comparison. Besides car driving distance the other factors to consider are actually Types of Fish Caught, Fishing Methods and Boat Selection.

Depending on time of the year each location can have different fish, it's not all the same all the time. This can be the subject of a whole post. But compare the fact that while the Northern Fleet are catching 40 lb Yellowfin, Hatteras may not have much Tuna or if they do its small Blackfin not exceeding 10 lbs. How about "World Class" White Marlin in August and September, if that's your thing. Some of the best White fishing is 50 miles North of Oregon Inlet, way out of reach for Hatteras boats. It can go the other way, especially with King Mackerel and Cobia. Depends on Season, which can be better defined as a Month or even time within a Month.

Fishing Methods; very interesting consideration especially for Tuna. In the Summer Northern Boats, but not all, will employ Kite Fishing and Green Sticks for Tuna whereas most Southern Boats do not.

The Northern Fleet consists of almost 60 Offshore Boats, not to mention another 35 Inshore Boats between the three marinas. Hatteras has maybe 25, big Offshore Boats.

Enough said for now!


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Posted By: Python73 - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/13/2012
Location: PGH, PA
Total Posts: 480

Date Posted: 7/16/2017 2:19 PM




More great points Pickle. 1/2 of my charter choice is what I want to fish for, modified by when I have to fish. And what I mean by that is, I tend to visit first week of Sept. But if I were going to charter for tuna I'd pick late October when you guys just drive the boats around and let the tuna jump in. smiley

Many of the disappointments I've had chartering through the years have come from picking a boat and having one type of fishing in mind that didn't fit the area, conditions, season, etc. Make sure you are talking to your captains! Tell them what you want, listen to what they suggest. Most captains will flex a bit for you, but they all want to put you on fish. And sometimes that means the fish that are biting instead of the fish you want to catch.

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Posted By: Pickle - (Send PM)
Member Since: 9/3/2009
Location: Kitty Hawk
Total Posts: 1973

Date Posted: 7/17/2017 7:22 AM




Thanks Python, I guess were the "Dynamic Duo", Batman and Robin. Because of my age I'll have to be Batman and you the "Boy Wonder". Okay back to fishing. Simply, the cost of Charter fishing is significant and you want to have the best trip possible. Best can be a loaded word. Fun, Great Catch etc. Well over 50% of Outer Banks Charters are first timers, the other group has certain predetermined Fishing/Trip Expectations. I've said it many times that just calling a Marina Booking Desk and just signing up may not give you the best trip. Try booking directly with the Captain. Most Outer Banks Captains are professional full time fisherman and will answer your questions in detail. We always ask "What Do You Want To Catch" and "Do You Have Young Children In Your Party". Two very important questions. Any Captain who tells you that Offshore fishing is great for a 6 and 8 year old is questionable. Also beware of Captains who agree to take over their 6 person limit, unless their boat is licensed for more. They will use terms like Second Mate, Boat Owner, etc. They just want your money. Bring on the Questions. Good Fishing.

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Posted By: El Bummo - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/21/2014
Location: Huntingdon PA
Total Posts: 90

Date Posted: 7/23/2017 2:07 PM




We used the doghouse last week(july 17). Had a good time we like the experience of it all. We did the inshore cuz no one was sure if they'd get sick or not. Now we did not catch anything which was disappointing but we still made a memory.

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Posted By: Pickle - (Send PM)
Member Since: 9/3/2009
Location: Kitty Hawk
Total Posts: 1973

Date Posted: 7/24/2017 9:26 AM




Just so you all know Inshore Half Day (4hours)has been very unpredictable thiyear. A lot of slow days. Nobody has an answer. Some boats offer a 6 hour trip which is highly suggest since it allows the boat to go to further locations and possibly fish changing tides. Please understand not all boats will go the " extra mile". There had been some decent King Mackerel fishing South of the Inlet the past two weeks. Discuss it with your Captain
Good Luck

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Posted By: Python73 - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/13/2012
Location: PGH, PA
Total Posts: 480

Date Posted: 7/24/2017 9:47 AM




I'd think most captains would talk you into nearshore instead of staying inside if it was that dead. You can almost always count on some blues and macs trolling spoons off the beach.

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Posted By: Pickle - (Send PM)
Member Since: 9/3/2009
Location: Kitty Hawk
Total Posts: 1973

Date Posted: 7/24/2017 3:30 PM




Guess what???????? Blues almost non existent, Spanish inconsistent in Oregon Inlet area. Need a 6 Hour trip. Also Inshore vs. Nearshore is a play on words. Virtually the same, depends on Marina, especially OIFC.

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Posted By: Python73 - (Send PM)
Member Since: 8/13/2012
Location: PGH, PA
Total Posts: 480

Date Posted: 7/24/2017 4:12 PM




That's sad news Pickle if you can't even count on a toothy bite. I always thought of those two as summertime trip savers.

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