Moved this over here, maybe the OBC Puritans will let it be on the Dark Side.


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How incredibly convenient that the graph you shared ends on June 30th. Time has apparently stood still since then. For some.

“Incredibly convenient”?!?

The main impetus of that graph is to show the 14-day incubation period effect, and nothing nefarious as you suggest.

Lighten up, Francis….

My calendar says July 15th. And instead of the 500 on your graph, daily deaths have been 992, 890, 959, 848, 731, 380, 464, and 935 for the last week.

Be careful, you’re tangentially starting to sound like you’re hoping for more death here.

And, if you average out the totals you supplied, you’ll find the answer to be 774.8, not all that far off the 500 shown in the graphic.



Remember, back in March/April, the “experts” stated confidently that we’d be at 3,000 deaths per day by the end of June.

In actuality, we peaked at ~2,700, and it’s dropped ever since.

Look for the good news in all of this. It gets lost in the noise of the moment a lot, but it’s still out there.

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Thank you for your civil response. I would quibble with the idea that experts said we would be losing 2,000 or 3,000 people a day, simply because I believe every time I saw that figure it was accompanied by the information that the statistics were estimated if there was no response of social distancing, closures of various severity, or other measures taken. In other words if the curve was not flattened. But it was. Obviously lots of measures have been taken. I also think an increase in roughly 250 people a day or roughly 1,500 a week is statistically significant. I really hope this week is just a blip too, but we will see. Or, if Trump gets his hands all over the data perhaps we won't see. We'll have the equivalent of a national weather map with magic marker.

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Just to touch that other point, I don't want to be right. I want to be pleasantly surprised, so that our next planned trip in the fall to the Outer Banks will be relaxing, or even possible. So that I can resume my profession, which is one of the very last things that will be allowed. So that my business will not suffer too greatly since it relies upon schools being open and large classes being taught in close proximity. For every personal reason imaginable I want this thing to be over tomorrow.

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Thank you for your civil response. I would quibble with the idea that experts said we would be losing 2,000 or 3,000 people a day, simply because I believe every time I saw that figure it was accompanied by the information that the statistics were estimated if there was no response of social distancing, closures of various severity, or other measures taken. In other words if the curve was not flattened. But it was. Obviously lots of measures have been taken. I also think an increase in roughly 250 people a day or roughly 1,500 a week is statistically significant. I really hope this week is just a blip too, but we will see.

Thank you for your equally civil discourse! This type of B&F is not only possible, but it's also healthy for our society. That's why I grouse so much about the censorship that has become so rampant on OBC in recent times.


Lots of numbers were thrown around early on in this, from the 2.2 Million projected US deaths out of a UK college study, to the 3K deaths per day by June number.

All of these were based on computer modelling, which can be wildly inaccurate, mainly because humans are the ones entering the data and writing the code. Just look at computer modelling for weather and hurricane track forecasts as an example. Anything over about 3 days out, and these models have little skill.

Couple that with the current corporate mass-media that sells advertising though clicks and views, and you have an environment where fear sells.

Or, if Trump gets his hands all over the data perhaps we won't see. We'll have the equivalent of a national weather map with magic marker.

Oh, come on now. Said data would originate and be catalogued at the county and state level, and any tampering would be instantly recognizable.


Like I've stated before, trust but verify everything you see/hear/read out of the bigger media outlets WRT COVID, as many times they are engaging in of lies of omission rather than lies of commission, and the objective truth lies somewhere in the middle.

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Just to touch that other point, I don't want to be right. I want to be pleasantly surprised, so that our next planned trip in the fall to the Outer Banks will be relaxing, or even possible. So that I can resume my profession, which is one of the very last things that will be allowed. So that my business will not suffer too greatly since it relies upon schools being open and large classes being taught in close proximity. For every personal reason imaginable I want this thing to be over tomorrow.

I don't want you to be right either, trust me. I have an 85 YO Father that I worry about immensely, and have had to see less than I would like of for the last 90-120 days, completely out of an over-abundance of caution.



I spoke to that topic because I've seen many people fall into the trap of almost hoping for more deaths to score political points, which I would hope that you agree is beyond ghoulish.

I also bristle at what I call "mask-shaming", which if you think about it, is a very bizarre psychological phenomena that is completely self-inflicted. Most people wear masks that are not even close to being N95-rated, which means they don't protect you or me to the level that is necessary to stop COVID transfer, because COVID is <1-1.5 microns (~0.001mm) in size. (Not to mention that you can get COVID though your eyes as well).

Effective for droplets and maybe aerosolized sneeze/spit effluvium? Sure, but unless you're tested daily, you could be asymptomatically spreading COVID through things that you touch at the Food Lion, CVS or Home Depot. The card-swipe and the keypad at place X. The gas pump handle. The door pull. You get my drift.


To circle back, every single one of us, unless we were tested today and every day, could unknowingly be spreading this virus to everyone we come into contact with, mask or no. Unless you've have had absolutely zero contact with any other human and have not left your home since March, you could be an unwitting spreader.


Attempting to assign blame in a friggin' pandemic is asinine.




That rant now over, I too hope that your vocation returns to near-normalcy ASAP, and that this is over in the same measure.

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Gents, as posted before (apologies if I am overly repeating myself) I cannot recommend enough reading John Barry's book - the 1918 The Great Pandemic. There are so many similarities, and yes, differences - but it is a very interesting read 1) from the perspective of medical history (much of it "yikes really?!" ) and 2) the sometimes eerie parallels to today's situation.

Regardless of one's position today, the reader will emerge with a perspective that, my opinion, can only be gleaned from those that came before us.

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Gents, as posted before (apologies if I am overly repeating myself) I cannot recommend enough reading John Barry's book - the 1918 The Great Pandemic. There are so many similarities, and yes, differences - but it is a very interesting read 1) from the perspective of medical history (much of it "yikes really?!" ) and 2) the sometimes eerie parallels to today's situation.

Regardless of one's position today, the reader will emerge with a perspective that, my opinion, can only be gleaned from those that came before us.

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Ummmmm.......

Kinda hard to read it when it's not due out in print until late August, and since I'm a page turning guy, the Kindle version is a non-starter for me.

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Ooops, sorry!

Here ya go:

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Not a kindle fan either, more out of necessity as toting several books around is a PITA - BUT I am finishing "The Splendid and the Vile (actually real page turning book!) - IIRC history is a passion for you, if not read, you'd, I'd think, really enjoy it - setting is England May 1940 - Dec 1941 under Churchill. I've read many stories of that era (as I suspect you have as well) and this one is right up there - the Brits some pretty tough SOBs!

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Here ya go:

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Not a kindle fan either, more out of necessity as toting several books around is a PITA - BUT I am finishing "The Splendid and the Vile (actually real page turning book!) - IIRC history is a passion for you, if not read, you'd, I'd think, really enjoy it - setting is England May 1940 - Dec 1941 under Churchill. I've read many stories of that era (as I suspect you have as well) and this one is right up there - the Brits some pretty tough SOBs!

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Ahah, thanks! Will order it soon, got a couple of others ahead of it at the moment, Scott Dawson's "The Lost Colony and Hatteras Island" being the next at-bat.


Never heard of the Erik Larson work, but that looks like a great read as well. The Brits suffered much during the BOB for certain, something that I have to wonder if any society could stand up to in this era.


Yes, history is one of my favorite topics, and I highly recommend any and all works by William L. Shirer, particularly "The Nightmare Years", about the rise of the Nazi party prior to the war.

Dude was THERE during all of it as a foreign correspondent associated with the great Edward R. Murrow, and his on-the-ground assessment is absolutely riveting.


Thanks for the book tip, will give a report once thought it!

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Some good news for a change, folks!


COVID-19 no longer qualifies as "epidemic" in death ratio metric.





We'll have to see if their "But..." comes to pass.



Given their track record for projections versus reality so far, I posit we're likely in good shape.

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And to further that good news, the CDC weekly number of all deaths combined has returned to normal. Hard to continue the Wu Flu narrative, unless the population has remarkably stopped dying from natural causes:

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And to further that good news, the CDC weekly number of all deaths combined has returned to normal. Hard to continue the Wu Flu narrative, unless the population has remarkably stopped dying from natural causes:

You called losing the pandemic status a week or two out, Greg. Nice work!


It's funny how easy it is for laymen to do some ACTUAL investigative journalism and get to the truth that lies behind the constant drumbeat of panic porn spouted by the MSM.

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And the plot thickens, Sea Urchin... some states have been reporting excessively high positives by including the antigen test results along with the viral test results. You can test positive in the antigen test if you have contracted the common flu!

This is looking more like deceptive tactics everyday.

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Follow the money flow. Is all I am GOING TO SAY donot want to up set the status quo on here again.

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And to further that good news, the CDC weekly number of all deaths combined has returned to normal. Hard to continue the Wu Flu narrative, unless the population has remarkably stopped dying from natural causes:

You called losing the pandemic status a week or two out, Greg. Nice work!


It's funny how easy it is for laymen to do some ACTUAL investigative journalism and get to the truth that lies behind the constant drumbeat of panic porn spouted by the MSM.

Not my prediction actually, I just posted the news from a reliable source. The numbers don't lie. But there goes the argument for mail-in ballots and potential massive fraud.

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Follow the money flow. Is all I am GOING TO SAY donot want to up set the status quo on here again.

And you would be right.


Personally, I'd like to hear more of what you might say.

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And to further that good news, the CDC weekly number of all deaths combined has returned to normal. Hard to continue the Wu Flu narrative, unless the population has remarkably stopped dying from natural causes:

You called losing the pandemic status a week or two out, Greg. Nice work!


It's funny how easy it is for laymen to do some ACTUAL investigative journalism and get to the truth that lies behind the constant drumbeat of panic porn spouted by the MSM.

Not my prediction actually, I just posted the news from a reliable source. The numbers don't lie. But there goes the argument for mail-in ballots and potential massive fraud.

And were berated for it on the "Fun" side of the board, as I recall.

SCOTUS neutered the mail-in thing during this session on that all-important level, the rest will follow as you predict.



We're actually starting to bring scientific curiosity and integrity back to this forum, in the place where it flourished best in its genesis, during the ORV Access Wars.



Something to be proud of, people.

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too many thin skinned folks here, do not want to listen to all aspects, facts and opinions of the situations facing this country right now, And rebel at facts and the figures. Watch what happens come school return time for a example, if the schools do not open, it has already started. Do not call it the WU-FLU or CHINESE VIRUS for the sake of up setting someone, Perhaps we need 4 years of democrat's and their grand plan or how did joe put it re-structure this country. Let them in the big cities up north get stomped into the ground by liberal so called leadership. Cry and whine all you want folks we are in trouble as a country and the liberals, democrats and special interest groups of like minds could give a rats a@@ about you. As long as they can add to their pockets. Hey if you live in the big trash heap called N.Y.C. you can do want you want just call it shop lifting bread. And yes these issues do effect the O.B.X. as well. I read a post earlier stated something like look like we are getting back to normal, there is no normal just uncertainty and coming misery.

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Be careful with the likes, the libertards will have you in re-introduction camp. but you can beat that just stick your head up your well you know.

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Thanks for the truth Bingy. But if the left gets control in Nov they will change the laws to prevent the right from ever getting control again. Reread that statement again and again. Look at what they are doing now,
Its their plan it's not fiction.

We can't sit on the fence this time in Nov. I don't know how to say this any better. Get out and vote like your life depends on it. There is so much readiness happening below the radar. The silent majority have had enough of the desecration of the Constitution by the left. Vote and pray.

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I think if that was to happen come November the country as we know it will vanish. We will become a land mass of state countries, like the European countries, small countries massed together struggling against one another, not a good thing. The left wing has all ready started this with their cities. Their so called leaders are encouraging this chaos and destruction, preview of what is coming in November if the democrats gain the total upper hand for the country.

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NY, Chicago, St Louis, Portland, Seattle, etc. are already under attack. The poor cops have had targets painted on their backs by those city's mayors. The DA's are putting the terrorists right back out onto the streets with no bail. Won't be long before the shooting starts.

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Seems to me it already has. But the sad part is its not only the police but small children also what the hell did they do. No one done anything to these idiots they want no police, no prison's, no order going to be like the old west all over. These people are killing their own folks now that really makes sense. And the democrats let it go on, sorry leaders, sorry democrat voters, sorry situation. HEY THERE - HI THERE - WERE AS HAPPY AS CAN BE MICKEY MOUSE, MICKEY MOUSE situation. Put biden in office he cannot stop what's going on, WU FLU,RIOTS TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF CITIES even with the idiots pelosi, schumer and the other 5 dwarfs. (snow white comparisons, do not want to upset the snow flakes) They think there is problems now just wait if that happens. O forgot do not want to up set the puritans status quo NO politics. Just truths.

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Guess I am on the do not reply list, posted a few other places (no political references) also Will did state to grow a thick skin. and for a Saturday no others have joined in. Even the fishing section O well now you hurt my feelings folks - ahh just kidding. YA ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY perhaps there are not many of those left.

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I'm with you Bingy. Thank you for your input. There's more on our side than you know. We're just censored by less than 5% here.

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