As a christian your name rattles me !!!

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Trump offered Pelosi 10,000 troops, izzy. She refused.

debunked: Click to follow link...

False. Fake news.

You still have to make the request. No request - No troops

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I’m sorry you’re not smart enough to recognize the socialist/communist threat to our country, McGee, but. it’s real, and the data proves it.

Except when presented with the opportunity to elect the real socialist, he was rejected soundly for the "republican light" candidate.

It would seem your poll, and the turnout at the polls, are somewhat at odds.

Beech

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As a christian your name rattles me !!!

As a thinking man, your willful ignorance appalls me.

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I’m sorry you’re not smart enough to recognize the socialist/communist threat to our country, McGee, but. it’s real, and the data proves it.

Except when presented with the opportunity to elect the real socialist, he was rejected soundly for the "republican light" candidate.

It would seem your poll, and the turnout at the polls, are somewhat at odds.

Beech

Come again?

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Its funny the right downplayed the virsus that killed over 600k and said there is nothing to be afraid of because Donald would save us all by Easter 2020 in the same time they create this Commie onslaught that is looming over the country and must be defeated by the hero right !! Again , it is what they create "Us vs Them " and make people afraid of a bunch of Loser Commies who never do anything of importance in today world !! OOOOOOHHHHHHH look out that could be a Commie with that mask on !!!

And the left overplayed the virus to try to keep Trump from winning. The left turned a blind eye to the riots in multiple cities that were ten times more destructive than January 6th. Oh, I forgot, they were peaceful protests! This crap started getting bad after a certain set of people claimed “Not my President, resist.”

I wouldn't call over 600k dead being overplayed but whatever
also none of the riots in multiple cities were attempting to overthrow the Constitutional duties of Congress
also I'd like to see the data that supports the "ten times more destructive" comment

Here’s your data: How many people died or were seriously injured on January 6th? (And don’t bother with the USCP officer that was initially reported to have been bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. That isn’t true) Three died of natural causes and one was executed. Didn’t even get a chance to say hands up don’t shoot.
Many died in the peaceful protests and scores of LEO’s were beat, had caustic liquids thrown at them, etc. by those peaceful leftist protesters. Didn’t you see any of that? Maybe you and Izzy need to broaden your horizons and watch some different mediums for your news, because you’re missing what’s really going on.

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Trumps base...

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And the left overplayed the virus to try to keep Trump from winning. The left turned a blind eye to the riots in multiple cities that were ten times more destructive than January 6th. Oh, I forgot, they were peaceful protests! This crap started getting bad after a certain set of people claimed “Not my President, resist.”

I wouldn't call over 600k dead being overplayed but whatever
also none of the riots in multiple cities were attempting to overthrow the Constitutional duties of Congress
also I'd like to see the data that supports the "ten times more destructive" comment

Here’s your data: How many people died or were seriously injured on January 6th? (And don’t bother with the USCP officer that was initially reported to have been bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. That isn’t true) Three died of natural causes and one was executed. Didn’t even get a chance to say hands up don’t shoot.
Many died in the peaceful protests and scores of LEO’s were beat, had caustic liquids thrown at them, etc. by those peaceful leftist protesters. Didn’t you see any of that? Maybe you and Izzy need to broaden your horizons and watch some different mediums for your news, because you’re missing what’s really going on.

I never claimed that there was no violence and destruction during the protests in the cities. I also know that there were many (the majority) of protesters that did not take part in the violence during those protests (the same as on Jan 6).

But I also do not equate the city protests with what happened on Jan 6.
Jan 6 was a violent attempt to stop the legal, constitutional duties of the duly elected representatives of the US government. That is an insurrection. It was driven by the sedition of those who were falsely claiming that the election had been stolen.

And, just as a side note. Both the violence that occurred in the cities and the insurrection of Jan 6 occurred during Trumps administration. I seem to remember during the campaign of 2016 he claimed to be the law and order candidate. Seems he failed miserably at that.

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Again Dandi, it all started when a large group of wing nuts decided to resist a dully elected President with claims of Russia, Russia, Russia. All backed by a complicit media and the entire Hillary cabal.
A bunch of pink hat morons.

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Just goes to prove each side can present a claim to counter the other sides claims , who do you want to believe ? They both are feeding into a narrative !!!

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Come again?

If you insist.... There are currently four in the House, none in the Senate, and Bernie never even got close. That doesn't sound like an eminent takeover by any standard I'm familiar with.

Levity aside - they exist, just like any number of fringe nonsense elements exist in all aspects of politics and life in general. It gives fear mongers (from both sides ie "Orange Man will become a dictator") fuel to goad people into voting out of fear.

Forgive me if I'm not afraid of the fringe from either side. The big middle is where the action is.

Beech

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And the left overplayed the virus to try to keep Trump from winning. The left turned a blind eye to the riots in multiple cities that were ten times more destructive than January 6th. Oh, I forgot, they were peaceful protests! This crap started getting bad after a certain set of people claimed “Not my President, resist.”

I wouldn't call over 600k dead being overplayed but whatever
also none of the riots in multiple cities were attempting to overthrow the Constitutional duties of Congress
also I'd like to see the data that supports the "ten times more destructive" comment

Here’s your data: How many people died or were seriously injured on January 6th? (And don’t bother with the USCP officer that was initially reported to have been bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. That isn’t true) Three died of natural causes and one was executed. Didn’t even get a chance to say hands up don’t shoot.
Many died in the peaceful protests and scores of LEO’s were beat, had caustic liquids thrown at them, etc. by those peaceful leftist protesters. Didn’t you see any of that? Maybe you and Izzy need to broaden your horizons and watch some different mediums for your news, because you’re missing what’s really going on.

I never claimed that there was no violence and destruction during the protests in the cities. I also know that there were many (the majority) of protesters that did not take part in the violence during those protests (the same as on Jan 6).

But I also do not equate the city protests with what happened on Jan 6.
Jan 6 was a violent attempt to stop the legal, constitutional duties of the duly elected representatives of the US government. That is an insurrection. It was driven by the sedition of those who were falsely claiming that the election had been stolen.

And, just as a side note. Both the violence that occurred in the cities and the insurrection of Jan 6 occurred during Trumps administration. I seem to remember during the campaign of 2016 he claimed to be the law and order candidate. Seems he failed miserably at that.

But there was no insurrection.

Nor was there any sedition.

There was also no treason, or anything even close to that, as no one, NOT ONE PERSON is being charged with any of the things you claim.

Zero, Zilch, Zip, Nada.


The only place those charges are being thrown around are the Kangaroo Court that is the mainstream media, and those clowns are just factually wrong.

You would do well to amend your bogus charges to reflect reality.

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Again Dandi, it all started when a large group of wing nuts decided to resist a dully elected President with claims of Russia, Russia, Russia. All backed by a complicit media and the entire Hillary cabal.
A bunch of pink hat morons.

maybe so, maybe not - I won't argue that.

However, everything with the "Hillary cabal" was done by the Constitution.
There was no attempt to subvert the legitimate process of our government.
And proof of that is trump was never removed from office (other than by the voters)

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Come again?

If you insist.... There are currently four in the House, none in the Senate, and Bernie never even got close. That doesn't sound like an eminent takeover by any standard I'm familiar with.

Levity aside - they exist, just like any number of fringe nonsense elements exist in all aspects of politics and life in general. It gives fear mongers (from both sides ie "Orange Man will become a dictator") fuel to goad people into voting out of fear.

Forgive me if I'm not afraid of the fringe from either side. The big middle is where the action is.

Beech

“Still, this is a significant political landmark in the history of the American Left?—?the first time in U.S. history that this many self-described socialists have held Congressional seats concurrently.”


In a Capitalist society, the perfect number is zero, because the two are mutually exclusive.


Couple this with the rise in voter preferences as seen in the Gallup poll cited earlier, and you have ingredients for an exponential rise in socialists in our halls of power.

You must take the lesser-known down ballot results of late into account as well:

“ Another 33 DSAers were elected this year for the first time, bringing the total to 101 when the new winners take office in January. This is greater than at any time since about 1912, when the Socialist Party had a strong foothold in both urban and rural America. Most of the socialists who have recently been elected to office represent safe blue areas, but they have also made inroads in purple areas, including Montana, Indiana, North Dakota, Texas and Tennessee. DSA also spearheaded several impressive ballot measure victories around progressive causes like the minimum wage, rent control and universal pre-school.”


Minimize this threat at your own peril, but not mine.

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Minimize this threat at your own peril, but not mine.

We are not in peril, but if you wish to feel that you are, that is certainly your prerogative, and I'll not attempt to dissuade you from your notion.

By your own quoted article, we are at a place not seen since 1912. I guess we can revisit this in 2130 and compare notes?

Beech

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But there was no insurrection.

Nor was there any sedition.

There was also no treason, or anything even close to that, as no one, NOT ONE PERSON is being charged with any of the things you claim.

Zero, Zilch, Zip, Nada.

Just because no one has been charged (as yet) with sedition or insurrection does not mean it didn't happen.
I don't need a weatherman to tell me if it's raining, I can see it for myself.
And I saw the event live on tv as it happened and I heard what the insurrectionists were claiming they were doing.

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Minimize this threat at your own peril, but not mine.

We are not in peril, but if you wish to feel that you are, that is certainly your prerogative, and I'll not attempt to dissuade you from your notion.

By your own quoted article, we are at a place not seen since 1912. I guess we can revisit this in 2130 and compare notes?

Beech

If it’s a “notion”, then I’ve got plenty of company. Here’s a. Venezuelan who knows a thing or two about that particular -ism:


“A Venezuelan activist is warning Americans that the torching and toppling of historical statues could be a sign of what lies ahead - loss of our country to a devastating idea like socialism.

Activist Elizabeth Rogliani shared her warning online, pointing out that she experienced a similar situation as a teenager growing up in Venezuela.

"Why do I even worry about some silly statues coming down. Because the last time I didn't care about this I was a teenager," Rogliani said. "I have already lived through this thing when I was living in Venezuela. The statues came down...Chavez didn't want all that history displayed and then he changed the street names, then came the school curriculum. Some movies couldn't be shown on TV channels and so on and so forth."


Venezuela has been devastated by socialism, even though it was once a stable democracy and the richest country in Latin America.

"You guys think it can't happen to you...I've heard this so many times, but always be on guard," she added. "Never believe something can't happen to you. You need to guard your country and your society or it will be destroyed."

"We didn't believe it could happen to us. Cubans warned us, yet it happened. And there's clearly a lot of people wanting to destroy the US."”



I’ve got a Ukrainian friend who echos the same warnings.


Are we all wrong?

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Minimize this threat at your own peril, but not mine.

We are not in peril, but if you wish to feel that you are, that is certainly your prerogative, and I'll not attempt to dissuade you from your notion.

By your own quoted article, we are at a place not seen since 1912. I guess we can revisit this in 2130 and compare notes?

Beech

If it’s a “notion”, then I’ve got plenty of company. Here’s a. Venezuelan who knows a thing or two about that particular -ism:


“A Venezuelan activist is warning Americans that the torching and toppling of historical statues could be a sign of what lies ahead - loss of our country to a devastating idea like socialism.

Activist Elizabeth Rogliani shared her warning online, pointing out that she experienced a similar situation as a teenager growing up in Venezuela.

"Why do I even worry about some silly statues coming down. Because the last time I didn't care about this I was a teenager," Rogliani said. "I have already lived through this thing when I was living in Venezuela. The statues came down...Chavez didn't want all that history displayed and then he changed the street names, then came the school curriculum. Some movies couldn't be shown on TV channels and so on and so forth."


Venezuela has been devastated by socialism, even though it was once a stable democracy and the richest country in Latin America.

"You guys think it can't happen to you...I've heard this so many times, but always be on guard," she added. "Never believe something can't happen to you. You need to guard your country and your society or it will be destroyed."

"We didn't believe it could happen to us. Cubans warned us, yet it happened. And there's clearly a lot of people wanting to destroy the US."”



I’ve got a Ukrainian friend who echos the same warnings.


Are we all wrong?

could be

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Interesting read.

www.zerohedge.com/politic...

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Minimize this threat at your own peril, but not mine.

We are not in peril, but if you wish to feel that you are, that is certainly your prerogative, and I'll not attempt to dissuade you from your notion.

By your own quoted article, we are at a place not seen since 1912. I guess we can revisit this in 2130 and compare notes?

Beech

If it’s a “notion”, then I’ve got plenty of company. Here’s a. Venezuelan who knows a thing or two about that particular -ism:


“A Venezuelan activist is warning Americans that the torching and toppling of historical statues could be a sign of what lies ahead - loss of our country to a devastating idea like socialism.

Activist Elizabeth Rogliani shared her warning online, pointing out that she experienced a similar situation as a teenager growing up in Venezuela.

"Why do I even worry about some silly statues coming down. Because the last time I didn't care about this I was a teenager," Rogliani said. "I have already lived through this thing when I was living in Venezuela. The statues came down...Chavez didn't want all that history displayed and then he changed the street names, then came the school curriculum. Some movies couldn't be shown on TV channels and so on and so forth."


Venezuela has been devastated by socialism, even though it was once a stable democracy and the richest country in Latin America.

"You guys think it can't happen to you...I've heard this so many times, but always be on guard," she added. "Never believe something can't happen to you. You need to guard your country and your society or it will be destroyed."

"We didn't believe it could happen to us. Cubans warned us, yet it happened. And there's clearly a lot of people wanting to destroy the US."”



I’ve got a Ukrainian friend who echos the same warnings.


Are we all wrong?

could be

But what if we’re not?

Isn’t it worth it to take a deeper dive into the subject instead of hand-waving it away with a “It’ll never happen here”?


Points to ponder, my friend…..

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Are we all wrong?

The short answer to your short question is "yes."

Without any reference to dictatorial corruption and a one commodity economy, the story of what befell Venezuela is grossly incomplete. Socialist policies, while contributory, are far from the complete responsibility fear mongers like to promote.

We are not Venezuela. We are not going to be Venezuela. I'm willing to revisit these two statements as long as we both live, and they will always be true.

Since opinion passes for sourcing around here...... Click to follow link...

Beech

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Since opinion passes for sourcing around here...... Click to follow link...

Beech

very interesting article

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Trump was removed not by a legitimate election but by fraudulent stuffing of ballot machines and fake mail in ballots. If what I say is not true, then why are the democrats fighting a forensic audit in those states? A forensic audit would prove that Trump was defeated, if there was no cheating.

There was cheating. That's why a million people showed up in DC to protest.

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If what I say is not true, then why are the democrats fighting a forensic audit in those states?

Probably to avoid this clown show. Click to follow link...

Beech

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If what I say is not true, then why are the democrats fighting a forensic audit in those states?

Probably to avoid this clown show. Click to follow link...

Avoid a clown show or avoid something much worse? We'll see won't we? Maybe if they put cardboard up on the windows during the audit it will make you feel better, right? I'm ready and waiting. Along with 81 million others.

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