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By: DevilDog
7/24/2021 2:47 PM


What is it with these Dem governors abusing their emergency COVID powers so much they have them legally stripped away?


Are there any Michiganders on here who'd like to share their experiences?




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By: dandjw2
7/24/2021 3:14 PM


What is it with these Dem governors abusing their emergency COVID powers so much they have them legally stripped away?


Are there any Michiganders on here who'd like to share their experiences?


DevilDog


the vote is a symbolic one since the law in question had been invalidated months ago by the state supreme court

the governor still can issue a state of emergency for up to 28 days under a different law plus the state board of health can issue epidemic orders which is what they have been doing since the law was invalidated

Click to follow link...

www.bridgemi.com/michigan...

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By: izzymcgee
7/24/2021 3:17 PM

Would have thought SU/DD would have known that from his daily reads!!!

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By: DevilDog
7/24/2021 3:21 PM


What is it with these Dem governors abusing their emergency COVID powers so much they have them legally stripped away?


Are there any Michiganders on here who'd like to share their experiences?


DevilDog


the vote is a symbolic one since the law in question had been invalidated months ago by the state supreme court

the governor still can issue a state of emergency for up to 28 days under a different law plus the state board of health can issue epidemic orders which is what they have been doing since the law was invalidated

Click to follow link...

dandjw2



Symbolic? Nay, not even close.

It's to make sure Frau Whitmer doesn't overstep her FUTURE authority like she did with Covid I.



So, is the recall petition on her that got approved to move forward symbolic too?


Click to follow link...



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By: dandjw2
7/24/2021 3:50 PM


What is it with these Dem governors abusing their emergency COVID powers so much they have them legally stripped away?


Are there any Michiganders on here who'd like to share their experiences?


DevilDog


the vote is a symbolic one since the law in question had been invalidated months ago by the state supreme court

the governor still can issue a state of emergency for up to 28 days under a different law plus the state board of health can issue epidemic orders which is what they have been doing since the law was invalidated

Click to follow link...

dandjw2



Symbolic? Nay, not even close.

It's to make sure Frau Whitmer doesn't overstep her FUTURE authority like she did with Covid I.



So, is the recall petition on her that got approved to move forward symbolic too?


Click to follow link...

DevilDog


a legislature vote to remove a law that is no longer valid and a recall petition are two different things
difficult to compare apples to oranges

kind of like comparing an impeachment that fellow party members voted against to an election where voters overwhelmingly chose a new president

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By: DevilDog
7/24/2021 4:07 PM


What is it with these Dem governors abusing their emergency COVID powers so much they have them legally stripped away?


Are there any Michiganders on here who'd like to share their experiences?


DevilDog


the vote is a symbolic one since the law in question had been invalidated months ago by the state supreme court

the governor still can issue a state of emergency for up to 28 days under a different law plus the state board of health can issue epidemic orders which is what they have been doing since the law was invalidated

Click to follow link...

dandjw2



Symbolic? Nay, not even close.

It's to make sure Frau Whitmer doesn't overstep her FUTURE authority like she did with Covid I.



So, is the recall petition on her that got approved to move forward symbolic too?


Click to follow link...

DevilDog



a legislature vote to remove a law that is no longer valid and a recall petition are two different things
difficult to compare apples to oranges

dandjw2


You're dodging the question, as either could be considered "symbolic".


kind of like comparing an impeachment that fellow party members voted against to an election where voters overwhelmingly chose a new president

dandjw2


Talk about your odd comparisons. That one smells kinda red herring-y too.....



Want to circle back to Frau Whitmer?


We could go with her boating scandal, or her travel scandal, or maybe you can pick one!








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By: dandjw2
7/24/2021 4:25 PM


What is it with these Dem governors abusing their emergency COVID powers so much they have them legally stripped away?


Are there any Michiganders on here who'd like to share their experiences?


DevilDog


the vote is a symbolic one since the law in question had been invalidated months ago by the state supreme court

the governor still can issue a state of emergency for up to 28 days under a different law plus the state board of health can issue epidemic orders which is what they have been doing since the law was invalidated

Click to follow link...

dandjw2



Symbolic? Nay, not even close.

It's to make sure Frau Whitmer doesn't overstep her FUTURE authority like she did with Covid I.



So, is the recall petition on her that got approved to move forward symbolic too?


Click to follow link...

DevilDog



a legislature vote to remove a law that is no longer valid and a recall petition are two different things
difficult to compare apples to oranges

dandjw2


You're dodging the question, as either could be considered "symbolic".


kind of like comparing an impeachment that fellow party members voted against to an election where voters overwhelmingly chose a new president

dandjw2


Talk about your odd comparisons. That one smells kinda red herring-y too.....



Want to circle back to Frau Whitmer?


We could go with her boating scandal, or her travel scandal, or maybe you can pick one!






DevilDog


to tell you the truth I don't really care one way or the other about Whitmer
that's up to Michigan
meanwhile I'll just bask in the glow of a Biden Presidency...

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By: DevilDog
7/24/2021 7:01 PM


What is it with these Dem governors abusing their emergency COVID powers so much they have them legally stripped away?


Are there any Michiganders on here who'd like to share their experiences?


DevilDog


the vote is a symbolic one since the law in question had been invalidated months ago by the state supreme court

the governor still can issue a state of emergency for up to 28 days under a different law plus the state board of health can issue epidemic orders which is what they have been doing since the law was invalidated

Click to follow link...

dandjw2



Symbolic? Nay, not even close.

It's to make sure Frau Whitmer doesn't overstep her FUTURE authority like she did with Covid I.



So, is the recall petition on her that got approved to move forward symbolic too?


Click to follow link...

DevilDog



a legislature vote to remove a law that is no longer valid and a recall petition are two different things
difficult to compare apples to oranges

dandjw2


You're dodging the question, as either could be considered "symbolic".


kind of like comparing an impeachment that fellow party members voted against to an election where voters overwhelmingly chose a new president

dandjw2


Talk about your odd comparisons. That one smells kinda red herring-y too.....



Want to circle back to Frau Whitmer?


We could go with her boating scandal, or her travel scandal, or maybe you can pick one!






DevilDog


to tell you the truth I don't really care one way or the other about Whitmer
that's up to Michigan

dandjw2



You cared a few posts ago.

What changed?



meanwhile I'll just bask in the glow of a Biden Presidency...


You misspelled "Malaise" of a Biden Presidency.

All signs are pointing to Jimmah Carter 2.0......











dandjw2







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By: dandjw2
7/24/2021 7:29 PM


What is it with these Dem governors abusing their emergency COVID powers so much they have them legally stripped away?


Are there any Michiganders on here who'd like to share their experiences?


DevilDog


the vote is a symbolic one since the law in question had been invalidated months ago by the state supreme court

the governor still can issue a state of emergency for up to 28 days under a different law plus the state board of health can issue epidemic orders which is what they have been doing since the law was invalidated

Click to follow link...

dandjw2



Symbolic? Nay, not even close.

It's to make sure Frau Whitmer doesn't overstep her FUTURE authority like she did with Covid I.



So, is the recall petition on her that got approved to move forward symbolic too?


Click to follow link...

DevilDog



a legislature vote to remove a law that is no longer valid and a recall petition are two different things
difficult to compare apples to oranges

dandjw2


You're dodging the question, as either could be considered "symbolic".


kind of like comparing an impeachment that fellow party members voted against to an election where voters overwhelmingly chose a new president

dandjw2


Talk about your odd comparisons. That one smells kinda red herring-y too.....



Want to circle back to Frau Whitmer?


We could go with her boating scandal, or her travel scandal, or maybe you can pick one!






DevilDog


to tell you the truth I don't really care one way or the other about Whitmer
that's up to Michigan

dandjw2



You cared a few posts ago.

What changed?



meanwhile I'll just bask in the glow of a Biden Presidency...


You misspelled "Malaise" of a Biden Presidency.

All signs are pointing to Jimmah Carter 2.0......











dandjw2





DevilDog


didn't care about Whitmer
just cared about a mis-leading "news" report claiming Whitmer was stripped of emergency powers that were no longer in existence
maybe you can increase your news websites to include a few that eschew the "entertainment section" that this one uses to report news
in the meanwhile I'm returning to my basking...



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By: DevilDog
7/24/2021 7:59 PM







didn't care about Whitmer

dandjw2


Uh-huh.


just cared about a mis-leading "news" report claiming Whitmer was stripped of emergency powers that were no longer in existence

dandjw2


We've already established that this was about FUTURE power.

maybe you can increase your news websites to include a few that eschew the "entertainment section" that this one uses to report news

dandjw2


Attacking the messenger instead of the message duly noted.


in the meanwhile I'm returning to my basking...

dandjw2


Gloating is usually more justifiable when the economy, etc. are doing well.











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By: dandjw2
7/24/2021 8:21 PM







didn't care about Whitmer

dandjw2


Uh-huh.


just cared about a mis-leading "news" report claiming Whitmer was stripped of emergency powers that were no longer in existence

dandjw2


We've already established that this was about FUTURE power.

maybe you can increase your news websites to include a few that eschew the "entertainment section" that this one uses to report news

dandjw2


Attacking the messenger instead of the message duly noted.


in the meanwhile I'm returning to my basking...

dandjw2


Gloating is usually more justifiable when the economy, etc. are doing well.











DevilDog


You established it was about the FUTURE, not me. Don't include me in your imaginings.
I put more credence on news sites and not entertainment sites. The latter are less shy about chasing ratings.
My economy is doing fine.
I notice your reference is May 2020 to May 2021. In my section of the country we are nearing the end of July. Just an observation, nothing more.
Basking.

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By: DevilDog
7/24/2021 8:31 PM







didn't care about Whitmer

dandjw2


Uh-huh.


just cared about a mis-leading "news" report claiming Whitmer was stripped of emergency powers that were no longer in existence

dandjw2


We've already established that this was about FUTURE power.

maybe you can increase your news websites to include a few that eschew the "entertainment section" that this one uses to report news

dandjw2


Attacking the messenger instead of the message duly noted.


in the meanwhile I'm returning to my basking...

dandjw2


Gloating is usually more justifiable when the economy, etc. are doing well.











DevilDog


You established it was about the FUTURE, not me. Don't include me in your imaginings.
I put more credence on news sites and not entertainment sites. The latter are less shy about chasing ratings.
My economy is doing fine.
I notice your reference is May 2020 to May 2021. In my section of the country we are nearing the end of July. Just an observation, nothing more.
Basking.

dandjw2



Why would anyone legislate to stop a past action, D?

Is the news about Frau Whitmer different on the "hard news" site that you peruse?

Glad "your economy" is doing well, others are not so fortunate.

If you have a more up-to-date citation for Joes inflation, let's see it.

Karma-ing is more like it.....

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By: dandjw2
7/24/2021 8:41 PM



Why would anyone legislate to stop a past action, D?
Because they're Republicans? And Whitmer is a Democrat?


Is the news about Frau Whitmer different on the "hard news" site that you peruse?
Well, the site I linked to did state that the law had already been invalidated by the state Supreme Court. Didn't see that mentioned on the entertainment site.

Glad "your economy" is doing well, others are not so fortunate.
Let them get a job. Too much empathy might lead to socialism.

If you have a more up-to-date citation for Joes inflation, let's see it.
If I stumble across one I'll post it.

Karma-ing is more like it.....

DevilDog

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By: DevilDog
7/25/2021 7:34 AM

Wooo, boy, you're not gonna like this, D, but read on:




Why would anyone legislate to stop a past action, D?


Because they're Republicans? And Whitmer is a Democrat?

dandjw2



BZZZZT: Wrong. 4 Dems voted in favor as well.

“The vote came down to 60 members in favor of repealing the 1945 Emergency Powers of the Governor Act (EPGA), with 48 opposed and two not voting.

Four Democrats — state Reps. Sara Cambensy (D-Marquette), Tim Sneller (D-Burton), Richard Steenland (D-Roseville) and Karen Whitsett (D-Detroit) — voted with Republicans in favor of the Unlock Michigan petition.”

Gotta read past the headline, D.





Is the news about Frau Whitmer different on the "hard news" site that you peruse?

Well, the site I linked to did state that the law had already been invalidated by the state Supreme Court. Didn't see that mentioned on the entertainment site.

dandjw2


“Out of that contention also came a right-wing petition called Unlock Michigan that set its sights on permanently repealing the EPGA. Even after the Supreme Court decision — that did hold that Whitmer had interpreted the law correctly as it was written — the Unlock Michigan campaign still forged ahead to “keep it dead.” “

See? “Permanently repeal”, as in FUTURE tense, regardless of the MI SCOTUS decision that only said what she had done in the past was in question.

I just love it when “Entertainment Sites” are so darn accurate and your “hard News” is so, well, not.





Glad "your economy" is doing well, others are not so fortunate.

Let them get a job. Too much empathy might lead to socialism.

dandjw2


You do realize just how much that sounds like “Let them eat cake”, right?

Right?!?



If you have a more up-to-date citation for Joes inflation, let's see it.

If I stumble across one I'll post it.

dandjw2


Translation: “If I only had the time to research it, I'd be soooooo right”.


Karma-ing is more like it.....

dandjw2



If this were a “Symbolic Measure” as you claim, then why are MI Dems so upset about it?

“Mark Fisk, spokesperson for Keep Michigan Safe: "From Day One, Unlock Michigan has been a brazen political power grab designed to hamper the abilities of those in government to act quickly and decisively during public health emergencies. ... Today, House Republicans voted to eradicate an important tool for elected leaders trying to save lives and stop the spread of deadly, infectious diseases like COVID-19, Legionnaire’s, tuberculosis and anthrax.”


“...eradicate an important tool...”

Whitmer herself has her panties all a-twist:

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer D said, "Any attempt to strip away the powers of the governor during this crisis is irresponsible, dangerous and foolish. If we hadn't taken the actions that we had, thousands more would have died in this state."

Seems you're at odds with your MI counterparts in a big way.


Would you care to issue a retraction/correction?

Otherwise someone might accuse you of spreading “Fake News”.






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By: dandjw2
7/25/2021 8:43 AM

Wooo, boy, you're not gonna like this, D, but read on:




Why would anyone legislate to stop a past action, D?


Because they're Republicans? And Whitmer is a Democrat?

dandjw2



BZZZZT: Wrong. 4 Dems voted in favor as well.

“The vote came down to 60 members in favor of repealing the 1945 Emergency Powers of the Governor Act (EPGA), with 48 opposed and two not voting.

Four Democrats — state Reps. Sara Cambensy (D-Marquette), Tim Sneller (D-Burton), Richard Steenland (D-Roseville) and Karen Whitsett (D-Detroit) — voted with Republicans in favor of the Unlock Michigan petition.”

Gotta read past the headline, D.





Is the news about Frau Whitmer different on the "hard news" site that you peruse?

Well, the site I linked to did state that the law had already been invalidated by the state Supreme Court. Didn't see that mentioned on the entertainment site.

dandjw2


“Out of that contention also came a right-wing petition called Unlock Michigan that set its sights on permanently repealing the EPGA. Even after the Supreme Court decision — that did hold that Whitmer had interpreted the law correctly as it was written — the Unlock Michigan campaign still forged ahead to “keep it dead.” “

See? “Permanently repeal”, as in FUTURE tense, regardless of the MI SCOTUS decision that only said what she had done in the past was in question.

I just love it when “Entertainment Sites” are so darn accurate and your “hard News” is so, well, not.





Glad "your economy" is doing well, others are not so fortunate.

Let them get a job. Too much empathy might lead to socialism.

dandjw2


You do realize just how much that sounds like “Let them eat cake”, right?

Right?!?



If you have a more up-to-date citation for Joes inflation, let's see it.

If I stumble across one I'll post it.

dandjw2


Translation: “If I only had the time to research it, I'd be soooooo right”.


Karma-ing is more like it.....

dandjw2



If this were a “Symbolic Measure” as you claim, then why are MI Dems so upset about it?

“Mark Fisk, spokesperson for Keep Michigan Safe: "From Day One, Unlock Michigan has been a brazen political power grab designed to hamper the abilities of those in government to act quickly and decisively during public health emergencies. ... Today, House Republicans voted to eradicate an important tool for elected leaders trying to save lives and stop the spread of deadly, infectious diseases like COVID-19, Legionnaire’s, tuberculosis and anthrax.”


“...eradicate an important tool...”

Whitmer herself has her panties all a-twist:

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer D said, "Any attempt to strip away the powers of the governor during this crisis is irresponsible, dangerous and foolish. If we hadn't taken the actions that we had, thousands more would have died in this state."

Seems you're at odds with your MI counterparts in a big way.


Would you care to issue a retraction/correction?

Otherwise someone might accuse you of spreading “Fake News”.




DevilDog


hey, whatever floats your boat
like I've said - I'm basking



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By: DevilDog
7/25/2021 9:26 AM



hey, whatever floats your boat

dandjw2


You've a funny way of admitting that you were wrong, bigly.




like I've said - I'm basking

dandjw2



While one man basks/gloats, an entire country suffers under the worst inflation since 2008.


There will likely come a time when those words come back to haunt you, D, and rest assures that I'll be there to remind you of them.




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By: dandjw2
7/25/2021 10:13 AM



hey, whatever floats your boat

dandjw2


You've a funny way of admitting that you were wrong, bigly.




like I've said - I'm basking

dandjw2



While one man basks/gloats, an entire country suffers under the worst inflation since 2008.


There will likely come a time when those words come back to haunt you, D, and rest assures that I'll be there to remind you of them.


DevilDog


Y'all have a nice day...

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