Spend less time in the sun ... it fries your brain.

Is that what happened to you Dennis???

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Spend less time in the sun ... it fries your brain.

Is that what happened to you Dennis???

ya made this post a bit ago didn't you?:


YOUR WORDS: "ok...sorry dennis...i should not have called you nasty...i PROMISE i will never type another remark about you, no matter what you say..."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm does your post above make you a liar or a fried brain???

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A liar.....but my post wasn't really nasty. I just wondered if the sun made your brain fry? Just a medical question

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Spin it any way you want, but the obvious fact is that the presence or lack of humans on the beach has no effect on the fledge rate of Piping Plover chicks.
Predation and weather events are the 2 most influential factors on chick survival, so maybe good old common sense will come into play in regards to closure areas.

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A liar.....but my post wasn't really nasty. I just wondered if the sun made your brain fry? Just a medical question

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Haha....very funny! I'll let you know if they start smokin'...........

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So self appointed genius, since you are so smart and I have a fried brain according to you. I am still waiting for an explanation as to why birds that are so afraid of human interaction, choose the most popular ORV (yes I am talking ORV) route to nest within. I know you guys could never admit you are wrong, so I want to hear it. The thing that most of us true enviromentalist know, birds actually like human activity, for the many reasons that been explained to you and your ilk repeatedly.

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Spin it any way you want, but the obvious fact is that the presence or lack of humans on the beach has no effect on the fledge rate of Piping Plover chicks.
Predation and weather events are the 2 most influential factors on chick survival, so maybe good old common sense will come into play in regards to closure areas.

Really ... an "obvious fact" huh? please list your credentials to make such a statement.

Hows about we thrown in human interaction for chick survival.

I love that word "spin", soooooooooooo many folks use it when they don't have any real input to an issue.

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So self appointed genius, since you are so smart and I have a fried brain according to you. I am still waiting for an explanation as to why birds that are so afraid of human interaction, choose the most popular ORV (yes I am talking ORV) route to nest within. I know you guys could never admit you are wrong, so I want to hear it. The thing that most of us true enviromentalist know, birds actually like human activity, for the many reasons that been explained to you and your ilk repeatedly.

OK, according to you the birds "choose the most popular ORV (yes I am talking ORV) to nest within." don't ya know that they do that just to pi$$ you off and it is working isn't it?

"birds actually like human activity"? Do ya mind explaining that again all "the many reasons"

I suppose you would like me to take you seriously; however I see it as just another bird brain who makes up stuff as they go along ... is that enough "spin" for ya?

p.s. I only posted so I could break 3,000 posts, but it is such a shame that it was done responding to such drivel.

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Again with the insults, you show your true colors. I take it as a win since you have 0 explanation for the very specific question I asked. Carry on, I love watching you know it alls pat yourself on the back, when facts continually getting into your biased ways.

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I would like to see a study of how many birds had successful nesting before there were so many restrictions on driving . Does any one have that info? I doubt it yet the birds and turtles still survive . Isn't that something we should look at?

Fact is we have shared the beaches with them for years yet they still exist.

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I would like to see a study of how many birds had successful nesting before there were so many restrictions on driving . Does any one have that info? I doubt it yet the birds and turtles still survive . Isn't that something we should look at?

Fact is we have shared the beaches with them for years yet they still exist.

exactly, and with the fledge rate were seeing, maybe the buffers/closures are doing nothing or even making it worse.

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I haven't read the entire thing, but plover monitoring #s from 1989 and on.
PDF file

parkplanning.nps.gov/showFile.cfm?projectID=13331&MIMEType=application%252Fpdf&filename=102805%20USGS%20Protocols%20-%20Piping%20Plover.pdf&sfid=17974

Hope I got that right.

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For the possible change/modification to existing regulations at CHNS (CAHA) attend one of the meetings the NPS is presenting for the public:

Click to follow link...

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PRICK!!!!!

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Yeozza....and you think I'M bad???????????

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Yeozza....and you think I'M bad???????????

Nope, I never said you are bad ...

The above he/she poster is just only stated his/her opinion and note the difficulty he/she is having in doing so.

As Judyk will probably soon remind me, I am letting it go...

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It must be a she/her and not a his/him because I'm a she/her and I would NEVER call you that. I'm very sweet and would not use that kind of language.
(The only thing I would say is "brain fried" and that's actually a medical term.) But I really don't like the way you like the birds better than people. But I won't get into any arguements with you about it.

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I have never met an a hole bird on the other hand...

There are a lot of birds I like more than certain people.

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Great year for turtle nests; horrible year for PPLs.

www.islandfreepress.org/2015Archives/07.27.2015-PipingPloverFledgingPlummetsSeaTurtleNestsSkyrocket.html

There are much better ways to manage the turtle population than by CHNSRA's policy. Compare the survival and nesting statistics with the Plans of other National Seashores, NWRs, State Plans, etc.

www.islandfreepress.org/PivotBlog/?e=95

www.obpa-nc.org/turtles/TurtleMgmtProgram.pdf

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"Predator management currently and in the past, she said, has focused on mammals, but this year, there is at least anecdotal evidence from biotechnicians who monitor the nesting birds that avian predators, especially crows, may be playing a bigger role than had been thought."

So maybe more people on the beach would help the fledglings.....
Have you ever seen the scarecrow on the Wizard of Oz?

Like I always heard: "It's all ok until somebody drops a house on your Sister...."

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We've always known that. Crows, herring gulls, ghost crabs.... And Hawks and falcons after they fledge.

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In a true effort to get to the really really good "best available science" then we should remove all of the excess restrictions and buffers for ORVs and people for the next 7 years while monitoring the fledge rates then analyze the 2 sets of data and make decisions off of that.

.........Oh wait that makes too much sense.

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The ORVers leaders for the most part care less about anything other than fishing and ORV access., a handful of them like sea turtles. Some view birds as nuisances that impact their fun.

I like to fish, own a 4wd, use it to get to the water’s edge, and care about the birds and turtles. I just happen to believe the closures currently in place are WAY too restrictive and that there is a better way to manage the resources the NPS is trying to protect!

I also think the majority of those who regularly fish the Outer Banks by ORV would agree with me.

Amen to that.

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Are you 2 ORV leaders? I wasn't condemning everyone who drives on the beach, Geesh.

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