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Invisible Fence For Dogs Question




We have 2 six month old dogs. Our back yard is fenced. We're thinking about having an invisible fence installed so they can go into the front yard. We would only let them into the front if we were out front with them. I understand the invisible fence will not keep other dogs from coming into the yard.

Looking for thoughts/suggestions on invisible fences. Thanks!


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Think of it as a training device, not an invisible gate. They start out with little white flags to show the dogs were the limit for them is. If they get too close the shock collar goes off so they learn where they can and can't progress to. I recall one at a neighbors house and as we walked our dogs past we often saw their dog outside the perimeter. He would charge the perimeter and get outside of it then could not get back in because it would shock him so he remained outside the perimeter until someone turned it off. They used it as a gate and it is not fool proof. If you are watching then you should be good.

Are those English Setters? We have had 4 of them.


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Neighbors in MA have an invisible fence. Two of their dogs were long-haired German shepherds. They had to crank it up in the winter when the dogs had their winter coats and there was a snow pack on the ground. The wire also went by a flower bed near their house. The voltage was so high that the dogs wouldn't go in the room in the corner of the house by the flower beds. Theeth smiley


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We used it for our dog (Boxer) and it worked really well. The training part is the key, but I think it also works better on certain dogs. If you have a stubborn dog, a little collar isn't going to stop him/her.

We had 2 zones, front yard and back yard. We started training with just the flags to define the border. Then we put the collar on and put it to one of the lowest shock amounts. I tested it on me first to make sure it wasn't horrible. It startles you, but wasn't that bad. The worst part is the dog does have to experience the shock to know what all those flags really mean. This is as far as you can go. Don't go further. Duke picked it right up. He was only shocked twice that I can remember. The collar will also give the dog warning beeps when he gets too close. After the first shock, those warning beeps were all he needed (and the visual of the flags).

After a while, the flags get removed and your dog knows the border. It worked great for us. After a couple of years, he didn't even wear the collar. He'd chase deer and other animals right up to the border and then just stop.

A couple of warnings. This "fence" does not prevent anyone or anything else from entering your yard. We only had this issue once when someone else dog got loose and ended up in our yard. Nothing bad happened, but it always a good idea to be watching when you dog is outside. We did have a problem once where Duke met up with a skunk and lost that battle.

Another one is when you want to take your dog for a walk. They will NOT want to cross that line. What we did was to get a door mat and place it over the border. We then had to teach him that he could walk over that mat and not get shocked. That took some training, but he soon figure out if the mat was down he could walk over it.

We did have the issue where one of the lines was to close to the house, so if Duke would get close to one of the walls, he'd get the warning beeps. I relocated those lines and after a while he was OK with going near that wall again.

John


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All great advise above. We have a half Germane Shorthair half Chocolate Lab and don't need a fence with her...it just took time and training.

Our neighbor behind us had one put in and it worked like a charm for their lab. My advice is if you have one installed, make certain you and the installer know exactly where the property boundaries are. My neighbor installed theirs 5' into my property. I told them about it and they didn't seem like it was a problem. Trying to be a good neighbor, I let it drop and it was never moved. Fast forward to last month, while rototilling a new landscaping bed I tore up the wire. My neighbor asked me to pay to have it replaced. I asked him to reimburse me $5 per pile of cr-p that I had to clean up from his dog for the past six years.

Apparently my reply was insulting since he no longer speaks with me.

To prevent any issues, know your exact property boundaries.


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All great advise above. We have a half Germane Shorthair half Chocolate Lab and don't need a fence with her...it just took time and training.

Our neighbor behind us had one put in and it worked like a charm for their lab. My advice is if you have one installed, make certain you and the installer know exactly where the property boundaries are. My neighbor installed theirs 5' into my property. I told them about it and they didn't seem like it was a problem. Trying to be a good neighbor, I let it drop and it was never moved. Fast forward to last month, while rototilling a new landscaping bed I tore up the wire. My neighbor asked me to pay to have it replaced. I asked him to reimburse me $5 per pile of cr-p that I had to clean up from his dog for the past six years.

Apparently my reply was insulting since he no longer speaks with me.

To prevent any issues, know your exact property boundaries.

Fossilridge


I've had a similar issue with a neighbor of mine who also no longer speaks to me. All i can say is fences make great neighbors.


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I think it depends on the breed. We were advised not to try one with our Westie. Their desire to chase is extremely strong. I know others who have used them with success. I also know that one of our neighbors got one installed and it scared her pup so bad she wouldn't go outside. Good training is the key.


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We have one for our 3 German Shepherds, they do quite well with it. Except for the youngest one he's a typical male dog under a year old! My husband had to crank it up for him, but with a little more training he is getting better with it. It's nice to have when it's a cold or rainy day and you don't want to go out with the dog.


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I think it depends on the breed. Good training is the key.

Gettysburg Lady


+1. Our neighbors have a labradoodle and it works great. Other neighbors have goldens, works great.

An acquaintance had two Rotties and said it was a waste of money, even turned up they would charge right through.


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The Invisible Fence brand is what we went with. The local franchise is out of Elizabeth City and is great. You get a trainer with the purchase that helps you learn to train your dogs. The trainer is local to the OBX and is very flexible with scheduling/helping with training. We have 5 dogs and they each needed different levels of training to get it. You do have to spend the time training unless you want your dog to self learn which means a lot of getting zapped or a dog afraid to go in the yard.


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Another "version" to consider. We used this for years for our good sized lab mix rescue. No wire to bury or worry about (wild critters can chew/dig up wire). It's easily moveable, say if you move or just want to change the perimeter.. You'd need to reset flag zone, but the dog knows the warning drill from the collar.
Only down side is the collar control is heavy-ish, but our girl never seemed to mind.






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My next door neighbor has one for their yard. We’ve accidentally cut it when having our yard aerated, now we have him mark the lines before.

I couldn’t have one myself. I was home the spring they put it in and had the windows open. Heard the cry from their pup when he was being trained with it. Never want to hear a cry like that again. It was cringe worthy and made my heart hurt for him.


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We also have used the wireless version from Petsafe with our 2 large golden retrievers. Works like a charm and doesn't require the wires. Also portable so we plan on taking ours with us to our rental in Kitty Hawk in a couple of weeks


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Tim-OBX they are Brittneys. They are mistakenly called Brittney Spaniels. In 1982 the AKC shortened the name to Brittany because the breed was seen as more pointer than spaniel in working style and proportions (long legs).

Our 2 are sisters. The one on the left Holly is fearless. Her sister Belle is very cautious. I worry Holly will blast thru the fence if she sees something she wants. I can see Belle getting shocked once and refusing to go in the front yard. We got them for Christmas hence the names Holly & Belle.

Questions:
Laying a door mat over the line blocks the signal?
So I guess driving a car over the line also blocks the signal?
No need to switch the unit off?

The Petsafe unit looks like it works in a radius up to 90 feet for coverage area. I think something that would be suited to a rectangular coverage area would work best for our lot shape.

Thanks for all of the responses!


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Questions:
Laying a door mat over the line blocks the signal?
So I guess driving a car over the line also blocks the signal?
No need to switch the unit off?

NCSU Dad

Sorry, I should have been clearer. You either have to turn it off, or take off the collar. We used a different collar for walking or car rides. The mat is just a visual so the dog knows it's safe to cross without getting shocked. Without it, our dog wouldn't cross, even without the shock collar on. Our dog was fine with car rides. No visual needed.

John


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Think of it as a training device, not an invisible gate. They start out with little white flags to show the dogs were the limit for them is. If they get too close the shock collar goes off so they learn where they can and can't progress to. I recall one at a neighbors house and as we walked our dogs past we often saw their dog outside the perimeter. He would charge the perimeter and get outside of it then could not get back in because it would shock him so he remained outside the perimeter until someone turned it off. They used it as a gate and it is not fool proof. If you are watching then you should be good.

Are those English Setters? We have had 4 of them.

Tim-OBX

That is very ironic.


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You can achieve the same containment through training without the fence and shock method of positive punishment by doing the same visual marking and using recall and reward for staying in bounds. It's the same eventual understanding for the dog, and same effect, just without the pain and discomfort. You also avoid the problem that any spooked dog will bolt right through the fence and be shocked, but will then not return to the perimeter because the painful deterrent motivates them to stay out. Worse than just keeping the dog out, being excluded from their own property and caused pain when they try to return raises cortisol levels much higher, creating agitation that can make them flee the area or run erratically and without the ability to acknowledge verbal commands. That's the reason HBCs are higher with invisible fences than with no fence at all.


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What if there's a neighbor like me that has a tin of dog treats in the garage even though we don't have a dog. Theeth smiley

Always had to stop cutting kindling or splitting firewood since the dogs would be in the corner of the yard crying for me to come over with treats. smiley


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You have a fenced in backyard...why would you consider an invisible electric fence the the front yard? We had an invisible fence for years. I will never have another one for many of the reasons stated above - others animals still have access, if your dog crosses it s/he can’t/won’t want to cross back over, will still be shocked if riding in your car over the lines and dog will still be freaked out even if you change the collar (they don’t distinguish between collars) and the pain (however perceptively slight) that is inflicted on the dog when being trained. Also, it is scary to walk by a property with our dogs on a lead to see a dog in a yard come bounding toward us, not knowing if there is an electric fence or if the dog may cross it to try to get to us. Our dogs are part of our family and I have even trained one (our Westie) to be a certified Delta Society (now Intermountain Therapy Dogs) therapy dog. We now have an English Springer Spaniel and a Golden Retriever and have a fenced in area around our patio and into our side yard which is plenty of room to stretch their legs and it is safe for all concerned.



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As stated above, our dog never had an issue being the car and crossing the line. We also found a solution to taking him for a walk. After a couple of years, he didn't even wear the collar. As for the pain, again, as stated above I tested it on myself (without the benefit of hair). At the level we had it set at, it was definitely not pain. It sounds like you probably had it set to high if thought otherwise. You did try it out before putting it on your dog right?

As for your front yard problem. That's a complete non-issue because you should always be out there with you dog in the front yard. If a dog is charging you, take out your pepper spray and use it if needed. If the owner left their dog out front alone, invisible fence or not, that's on them. Protect yourself. Whenever we had Duke out front and saw someone walking on the sidewalk (with dog or not), he was put inside until they passed. This all just seems like common sense to me...

John


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