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Regional Medical to be 225 mulitfamily homes




Just read this about possible sale of the old regional medical 6 ac facility.



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There's always a lot of talk about the need for affordable housing. Maybe this could be it?


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Affordable Housing, not really at Market Price for a home. The press release used the term Market Price. Let's say they are two bedroom townhouses, I would say the pricing would have to be upwards of $350 to $400K. Affordable Housing to the Outer Banks Community is Rented Apartments in the $1500 a Month category. I would say the project's Density is Ridiculous. That Density is so far above anything we have now. It's more likened to a City, not a Beach Vacation location. Since we're talking Permanent Housing, not Vacation Property you have a major impact on Schools. Can the Kitty Hawk Elementary School handle an additional 225 Students? Cars, you could be talking up to 400 working peoples cars. Lots and lots off land in Currituck County.


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This is how it starts, next thing you know we are Ocean City Maryland.


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It would be a major apartment community for the area if that is what the town planners want. DPJ is a high end apartment developer and most apt units would average around $1,900.00 a month or more for a one bedroom. Affordable? Depends on what you are used to. So yes and no.


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yes that isnt "affordable" to the people looking for basic housing.


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It's a move designed to maximize profit for Pasquotank County and the private developer. That by definition means it cannot be "affordable housing."

The good news is that it's not zoned for that use, so if people don't want that many luxury units in a high traffic area, you need to voice that now.


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Then its just another luxury condo complex.


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Funny...the more you limit development, the more exclusive existing properties become.....both of which people complain about on this board incessantly, which are by nature at odds. You can't have it both ways folks...... it comes down to local zoning.....I know....., the government dictating what we do or can not do. But zoning protects our resources and local values, what ever they may be.



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As someone who has lived in Baltimore for over two decades, I think I'm more than qualified to speak to this.

So-called "affordable housing" is a politically correct code word for projects. Those bring all kinds of problems with them. Trust me, it's nothing you want on the Outer Banks. If I lived there like some of you, I'd be fighting this hard.


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As someone who has lived in Baltimore for over two decades, I think I'm more than qualified to speak to this.

So-called "affordable housing" is a politically correct code word for projects. Those bring all kinds of problems with them. Trust me, it's nothing you want on the Outer Banks. If I lived there like some of you, I'd be fighting this hard.

Mountaineer


Love me some Charm City, but, with all due respect, absolutely 100% wrong smiley . Dare and Baltimore City are massively "different" socially, economically and culturally. Does this proposed level of scale make sense for the OBX, I don't know - but affordable (in the Merriam Webster vernacular) housing is severely needed here and throughout many resort communities. If built, will it bring increased crime, probably....but not the likes of a major urban city.




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Love me some Charm City, but, with all due respect, absolutely 100% wrong smiley . Dare and Baltimore City are massively "different" socially, economically and culturally.


Everyplace, everywhere somehow thinks they are different and that the problems don't apply to them.

I grew up in a small town of about 10,000 people. Back in the mid '80s, the bleeding hearts built housing projects (the term "affordable housing" had not been coined yet) supposedly designed for those who were disabled or otherwise unable to work. On paper, it sounded like a good thing. Within a year of being completed, the whole complex had become a drug haven. With drugs comes other issues. Soon, people who lived within a couple of miles of this development began complaining that their vehicles and garages were being broken into and items like CB radios, change, basically anything that was easy to grab was being stolen. This progressed to business and residential burglaries. Burglaries eventually graduated to armed robberies. Before long, the town that would only see maybe one or two homicides a year was now seeing about 10 or 12 a year. Doesn't sound like much, but that's a 900%+ increase. All within about a two year span, the town where everybody left their doors unlocked had been "fundamentally transformed" (another term being kicked around these days).

These developments are also not fair to those who have to be stuck living in them. Many people live in such developments who don't participate in the criminal element; however, being surrounded by it all the time not only jeopardizes their safety, but it also creates a very demoralizing experience. A friend who grew up in the projects always refers to it as "steerage", his term not mine.

I'm not saying the Outer Banks will experience 300+ homicides in a year like Baltimore, but what I am saying is so-called "affordable housing" brings all kinds of problems with it. Always. Saying an area wants "affordable housing" but not the other stuff that goes along with it is like saying you want the flu to get a few days off work, but you don't want the fever, chills, headache and feeling miserable the entire time .

Is the Outer Banks grossly overpriced? Yes, it is. So is just about every other area along both the East and West coasts. We are about to see a major correction in the real estate department and it will probably start before the year is out. What is going on now is unsustainable and more people are realizing it every day.




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Is the Outer Banks grossly overpriced? Yes, it is. So is just about every other area along both the East and West coasts. We are about to see a major correction in the real estate department and it will probably start before the year is out. What is going on now is unsustainable and more people are realizing it every day.

Mountaineer


Don't look now, but the turn has started and it started a couple months ago. With the interest rate increases you will see more turn. I see price reductions everyday now.


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Don't look now, but the turn has started and it started a couple months ago. With the interest rate increases you will see more turn. I see price reductions everyday now.

Tim-OBX


There are some cracks beginning to form in the dam here as well. Where I live (historic neighborhood, lots average about 0.5 acre, most houses 4-6 bedroom), asking prices have dipped about 5-7% from what they were a couple of months ago and property has all but stopped moving. Most sales started slowing down around late April/early May. A lot of people around me are still living in blissful ignorance, but I suspect that will start to wear off in a few more months.




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Love me some Charm City, but, with all due respect, absolutely 100% wrong smiley . Dare and Baltimore City are massively "different" socially, economically and culturally.


Everyplace, everywhere somehow thinks they are different and that the problems don't apply to them.

I grew up in a small town of about 10,000 people. Back in the mid '80s, the bleeding hearts built housing projects (the term "affordable housing" had not been coined yet) supposedly designed for those who were disabled or otherwise unable to work. On paper, it sounded like a good thing. Within a year of being completed, the whole complex had become a drug haven. With drugs comes other issues. Soon, people who lived within a couple of miles of this development began complaining that their vehicles and garages were being broken into and items like CB radios, change, basically anything that was easy to grab was being stolen. This progressed to business and residential burglaries. Burglaries eventually graduated to armed robberies. Before long, the town that would only see maybe one or two homicides a year was now seeing about 10 or 12 a year. Doesn't sound like much, but that's a 900%+ increase. All within about a two year span, the town where everybody left their doors unlocked had been "fundamentally transformed" (another term being kicked around these days).

These developments are also not fair to those who have to be stuck living in them. Many people live in such developments who don't participate in the criminal element; however, being surrounded by it all the time not only jeopardizes their safety, but it also creates a very demoralizing experience. A friend who grew up in the projects always refers to it as "steerage", his term not mine.

I'm not saying the Outer Banks will experience 300+ homicides in a year like Baltimore, but what I am saying is so-called "affordable housing" brings all kinds of problems with it. Always. Saying an area wants "affordable housing" but not the other stuff that goes along with it is like saying you want the flu to get a few days off work, but you don't want the fever, chills, headache and feeling miserable the entire time .

Is the Outer Banks grossly overpriced? Yes, it is. So is just about every other area along both the East and West coasts. We are about to see a major correction in the real estate department and it will probably start before the year is out. What is going on now is unsustainable and more people are realizing it every day.

Mountaineer


Excellent post. Agree. I live in an area that is highly influenced by Detroit. Enough said. The supply chain. I just live in the better part of town. You know not to go in certain areas at night. Certain neighborhoods as a single white woman etc etc.


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Love me some Charm City, but, with all due respect, absolutely 100% wrong smiley . Dare and Baltimore City are massively "different" socially, economically and culturally.


Everyplace, everywhere somehow thinks they are different and that the problems don't apply to them.

I grew up in a small town of about 10,000 people. Back in the mid '80s, the bleeding hearts built housing projects (the term "affordable housing" had not been coined yet) supposedly designed for those who were disabled or otherwise unable to work. On paper, it sounded like a good thing. Within a year of being completed, the whole complex had become a drug haven. With drugs comes other issues. Soon, people who lived within a couple of miles of this development began complaining that their vehicles and garages were being broken into and items like CB radios, change, basically anything that was easy to grab was being stolen. This progressed to business and residential burglaries. Burglaries eventually graduated to armed robberies. Before long, the town that would only see maybe one or two homicides a year was now seeing about 10 or 12 a year. Doesn't sound like much, but that's a 900%+ increase. All within about a two year span, the town where everybody left their doors unlocked had been "fundamentally transformed" (another term being kicked around these days).

These developments are also not fair to those who have to be stuck living in them. Many people live in such developments who don't participate in the criminal element; however, being surrounded by it all the time not only jeopardizes their safety, but it also creates a very demoralizing experience. A friend who grew up in the projects always refers to it as "steerage", his term not mine.

I'm not saying the Outer Banks will experience 300+ homicides in a year like Baltimore, but what I am saying is so-called "affordable housing" brings all kinds of problems with it. Always. Saying an area wants "affordable housing" but not the other stuff that goes along with it is like saying you want the flu to get a few days off work, but you don't want the fever, chills, headache and feeling miserable the entire time .

Is the Outer Banks grossly overpriced? Yes, it is. So is just about every other area along both the East and West coasts. We are about to see a major correction in the real estate department and it will probably start before the year is out. What is going on now is unsustainable and more people are realizing it every day.

Mountaineer


I get to drive by the "Projects" - "Affordable Housing" or whatever phrase you want to use everyday on my drive to work. Some of these places have been built three times over. About 10 years ago they completely gutted one project I drive by. When they were done they looked great, some even had solar panels on the roofs. Within three to 5 years they were once again trashed. When you get stuff for free, don't own it you don't take care of it


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I always see areas say we need more affordable housing. Yet a 1,000 sq ft apartment is going to cost xx dollars material wise. Is there any developer that would say "I can rent this for $2000 a month or I could be a nice guy & offer affordable housing for $1200" I doubt if one exists.


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Love me some Charm City, but, with all due respect, absolutely 100% wrong smiley . Dare and Baltimore City are massively "different" socially, economically and culturally.


Everyplace, everywhere somehow thinks they are different and that the problems don't apply to them.

I grew up in a small town of about 10,000 people. Back in the mid '80s, the bleeding hearts built housing projects (the term "affordable housing" had not been coined yet) supposedly designed for those who were disabled or otherwise unable to work. On paper, it sounded like a good thing. Within a year of being completed, the whole complex had become a drug haven. With drugs comes other issues. Soon, people who lived within a couple of miles of this development began complaining that their vehicles and garages were being broken into and items like CB radios, change, basically anything that was easy to grab was being stolen. This progressed to business and residential burglaries. Burglaries eventually graduated to armed robberies. Before long, the town that would only see maybe one or two homicides a year was now seeing about 10 or 12 a year. Doesn't sound like much, but that's a 900%+ increase. All within about a two year span, the town where everybody left their doors unlocked had been "fundamentally transformed" (another term being kicked around these days).

These developments are also not fair to those who have to be stuck living in them. Many people live in such developments who don't participate in the criminal element; however, being surrounded by it all the time not only jeopardizes their safety, but it also creates a very demoralizing experience. A friend who grew up in the projects always refers to it as "steerage", his term not mine.

I'm not saying the Outer Banks will experience 300+ homicides in a year like Baltimore, but what I am saying is so-called "affordable housing" brings all kinds of problems with it. Always. Saying an area wants "affordable housing" but not the other stuff that goes along with it is like saying you want the flu to get a few days off work, but you don't want the fever, chills, headache and feeling miserable the entire time .

Is the Outer Banks grossly overpriced? Yes, it is. So is just about every other area along both the East and West coasts. We are about to see a major correction in the real estate department and it will probably start before the year is out. What is going on now is unsustainable and more people are realizing it every day.

Mountaineer


Apologies, I wasn't clear, by writing Merriam definition of "affordable" I mean just that - not section 8, not "projects", not rent subsidies (perhaps, though, subsidies granted by employers to employees in consideration of employment - think the hospital, for example).....*affordable*, in the literal sense. Such a project could potentially provide just that.


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I think some comments have gone away from the Definition of Affordable on the Outer Banks, the Beach. You can't use Noah Websters definition of Affordable because everything is relative. You really can't go off with comparisons of Projects. We all know there is a tremendous shortage of permanent Housing on the Outer Banks. That said "What Is Affordable". Retail/Tourist Related businesses pay only $15 an hour, if that, relatively low salaries for Police, Fire and entry level teachers ask the question what's affordable on $35K to 40K a year. Maybe $1000 a month for a one bedroom apt is affordable. The press release says HOMES, not apartments, so is that Condos or Townhouses? They also say SELLING, not renting, at FAIR MARKET VALUE. Simple Beach Boxes are selling at 400K or more. Can you afford that on $40K a year. So called Affordable housing is not going to happen on THE BEACH. Currituck has lots and lots of land over bridge on up to Grandy.


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I only saw reference to multi-family which means, townhomes, condos, or apartments. I'm guessing these will be condos which will sell like hotcakes at $650k to $1.5M. It will be nice if they were apartments but highly doubt it.

It would be a major apartment community for the area if that is what the town planners want. DPJ is a high end apartment developer and most apt units would average around $1,900.00 a month or more for a one bedroom. Affordable? Depends on what you are used to. So yes and no.

Bentmtn



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So called Affordable housing is not going to happen on THE BEACH. Currituck has lots and lots of land over bridge on up to Grandy.

Pickle


Pickle is absolutely correct here. And here's another good reason. The value of the land on the Northern Beaches is at least 1/2 the total value of the property, as the assessments show. If you want an affordable house, however defined, it won't be very affordable after you've paid $200K-300K or more for the land. As he says, land is a lot less on the other side of the bridges.

Can an affordable house be build inexpensively? Of course, but you'd have to leave out a lot of what people want, no matter what their budget. In the kitchen, affordable might mean the most basic appliances without any features. It might mean not having a disposal, and certainly not an under-mounted sink. Really inexpensive cabinets. Laminate countertops.

Elsewhere, small bedrooms, builder grade windows and door, most basic wood trim, no hardwood floors - vinyl instead,

It's possible to get a few of these features if you build a small house. There is usually a nice small house or two on the fall home tour. But they are, at best, at the top of the affordable range.

And for those of you who have chosen to live on Hatteras, you're getting closer to this every year.


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The dog whistle is loud and clear


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The dog whistle is loud and clear

MikeW


Mike, if you would explain what you mean, I'd appreciate it.


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Can an affordable house be build inexpensively? Of course, but you'd have to leave out a lot of what people want, no matter what their budget. In the kitchen, affordable might mean the most basic appliances without any features. It might mean not having a disposal, and certainly not an under-mounted sink. Really inexpensive cabinets. Laminate countertops.

NightOwl


I just have to chuckle about this because I have all of this. So many people assumed I would reno immediately. Nah, house appraises at 60% more than what I paid less than a decade ago, and a primary home is a liability, not an asset. As is, I could get a cash offer $20-30k over current appraisal - before the pandemic demand. I replace and upgrade things as they wear or age out of efficiency, and not just to have the counters or gadgets others have.


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Nothing I read in the original post makes the project sound like they are planning affordable housing with this plan. It sounds like high end condos/appts.

I thought the urban trend was to bake in section 8 housing into every new project built. That's what's happening here in RVA. Talk about tearing down the housing courts...no way! There's generations of people who grew up there...they even have reunions when one gets torn down in order to reframe public housing into something less projecty.


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