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Walkway question




Curious if anyone knows if there are any "rules" on the wooden walkways that go over the dunes particularly on Hatteras.
We had rented a house in Hatteras in 2021 thar was serviced by a community walkway to the beach.
We did not rent that house again in 2022, but when we walked past this past summer, we noticed that the opening to the beach was only around 30".
What was obvious was that the end of the walkway had washed away sometime in the fall21.spring22 and whoever "repaired" had done a quick and dirty repair and used 4x4 and 4x6's to just tie onto to the existing, but they added onto the inside of the existing rather than the outside or just splicing onto the existing width ~ 42" or so. We would have rented the house we were at in 21, but no way we could get our fishing cart out through the walkway funnel, and way to far to the next access. Anyone know anything about this - rules or advice? Seemed a shame but...



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Knowing the exact location might get a better answer but look at the picture and you see a community walkway. It is on land the gov't owns and any work on it should require a CAMA (coastal area management act) permit and inspection. It sounds like the subdivision did some work that was unpermitted or some owner there did it. It is not uncommon to get people to chip in on new stairs or repair to old ones without getting a permit, but they should.




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The cross overs or public accesses, at least in Avon, are maintained by the Avon Property Owners Association or the Kinnakeet Home Owners Association. There hasn't been much maintenance due to over wash and beach erosion over the last couple of years. Don't know if there are any plans to rebuild or not since replenishment was done over the summer. I just walked out to the beach and the ocean is about 40 feet from the dunes that were placed there during replenishment, and high tide hasn't hit yet. It is a never ending cycle, build walkways, walkways wash out, rebuild walkways.


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The walkway I am refering to is beside the house at 58225 Sand Road, Hatteras. I am 99% sure it is a community walkway. Unfortunately6 the way it was repaired pretty much makes it useless for anything beside a single person going over it. Fishing carts, beach strollers, even a canopy thrown over your shoulder would rub going thru the "chute".
Probably just the best a Non-handyman could do but....


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I think you will need to check to see if that walkway is maintained by the subdivision (Nita Ballance) that your house is in. It looks like that walkway would be available to the people on the street, but often volunteers do the repairs.





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The property owners on each street off of Woodall Road chip in and pay a contractor to build the walkover. It is voluntary and many don't contribute. The NPS requires approval of construction plans and issues a permit to one responsible individual named property owner. The agreement includes a commitment to the NPS to either maintain the structure or remove it.

I own in that neighborhood and we often have to replace or repair the public walkway at the end of our street several times a year. Our share of annual repairs and maintenance is between $200 and $400/ year. Three years ago we replaced our street's walkway and stairstep structure over the dune with a benched viewing platform and steep staircase to the beach for approximately $18,000. Only eight of the 20 property owners contributed on our street.

It is a contentious issue on several streets in that neighborhood. Please let the rental property owner know that the walkway was an issue.


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Lowtide- Thank you. The viewing platform is indeed spectacular. I will contact the homeowner also. Stinks that 8 of you have had to fund the repairs, but that isn't suprising in my dealings with "groups"


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Just a side note… It’s nearly impossible to get anyone to build a new walkway. We’ve been trying to get one done in Duck for about 18 months. Just don’t get anyone to call back. I’d appreciate any referrals for someone who will actually come out to look at the situation.
I imagine it may be harder to find someone for repairs.


RE: Walkway question




Knowing the exact location might get a better answer but look at the picture and you see a community walkway. It is on land the gov't owns and any work on it should require a CAMA (coastal area management act) permit and inspection. It sounds like the subdivision did some work that was unpermitted or some owner there did it. It is not uncommon to get people to chip in on new stairs or repair to old ones without getting a permit, but they should.

Tim-OBX
Yep. That's on federal land. Ask the federal govt why the repairs to the walkway don't meet building standards.


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Finally, an expert on walkways chimes in...


RE: Walkway question




Finally, an expert on walkways chimes in...

Squid Pro Quo
Just noting that as that beach access walkway is located on federal land, ADA requirements must be met, including minimum width of the access. That should come as no surprise to anyone.


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Finally, an expert on walkways chimes in...

Squid Pro Quo
Just noting that as that beach access walkway is located on federal land, ADA requirements must be met, including minimum width of the access. That should come as no surprise to anyone.

SandyPaws4


This one looks to be wider than 36" so it should be good to go for wheelchair bound surfers, right?




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Sorry, but NONE of the walkways at Hatteras or Frisco that I have been across would even be close to ADA specs. To start with most all have steps to get down to the sand on the ocean side. Making any of these to be handicap accessible would cost major denaro.


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I believe the public ramp across from the Shipwreck Museum at Ramp 55 has a wheelchair ramp. I also believe it was built with Federal money (taxes) and money from the ORV permit revenue (another tax). Completely different animal. I am unaware of any residential beach access walkway receiving Federal monies for construction. All of the ones in my neighborhood in Hatteras Village were built by property owners and funded by passing-the-hat. BTW, we also chip-in to pay for the sand fencing placed on Federal property to minimize damage to the walkways and maintain the dunes.




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When we had our Avon home a couple of years ago, the "girls" would walk across Nova Drive to the public beach walkway when the guys were out on ramp 34 fishing. I took my two year old granddaughter in the stroller with my daughter in tow and would have to park the stroller at the bottom of the very steep steps. I mean...I am not complaining as they were very nice and the walkway was skinny, but just fine for us as I carried her the rest of the way....up the steps and a long walk over the boardwalk as the beach is very wide in north Avon. Beautiful walk actually. Definitely not suited for someone with a disability, but I was just happy they were there along with the other ones along the neighborhood.


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Just noting that as that beach access walkway is located on federal land, ADA requirements must be met, including minimum width of the access. That should come as no surprise to anyone.

SandyPaws4

You really have no clue as to what your talking about, do you? I mean, it's been pretty obvious before, but now...


RE: Walkway question




Finally, an expert on walkways chimes in...

Squid Pro Quo
Just noting that as that beach access walkway is located on federal land, ADA requirements must be met, including minimum width of the access. That should come as no surprise to anyone.

SandyPaws4


This one looks to be wider than 36" so it should be good to go for wheelchair bound surfers, right?

Squid Pro Quo
That one (the photo you posted) is located on private property, not federal land. The beach access walkway referenced in the OP is located on federal land. BIG difference.

You seem to be having a problem understanding the difference between public land and privately owned land. Why?


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You really have no clue as to what your talking about, do you? I mean, it's been pretty obvious before, but now...

J4yDubs
What are you talking about? Here's a point of reference: 28 CFR 35.151


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Sorry, but NONE of the walkways at Hatteras or Frisco that I have been across would even be close to ADA specs. To start with most all have steps to get down to the sand on the ocean side. Making any of these to be handicap accessible would cost major denaro.

sandman
Fair enough. This would be simple to check. The walkway is located on federal land. Check the waiver/permit/etc issued for the construction/repair of that walkway issued by the federal government.



RE: Walkway question




Finally, an expert on walkways chimes in...

Squid Pro Quo
Just noting that as that beach access walkway is located on federal land, ADA requirements must be met, including minimum width of the access. That should come as no surprise to anyone.

SandyPaws4


This one looks to be wider than 36" so it should be good to go for wheelchair bound surfers, right?

Squid Pro Quo
That one (the photo you posted) is located on private property, not federal land. The beach access walkway referenced in the OP is located on federal land. BIG difference.

You seem to be having a problem understanding the difference between public land and privately owned land. Why?

SandyPaws4


I have that pretty well figured out paws, but it's so much fun roasting you I just can't resist.


RE: Walkway question




Finally, an expert on walkways chimes in...

Squid Pro Quo
Just noting that as that beach access walkway is located on federal land, ADA requirements must be met, including minimum width of the access. That should come as no surprise to anyone.

SandyPaws4


This one looks to be wider than 36" so it should be good to go for wheelchair bound surfers, right?

Squid Pro Quo
That one (the photo you posted) is located on private property, not federal land. The beach access walkway referenced in the OP is located on federal land. BIG difference.

You seem to be having a problem understanding the difference between public land and privately owned land. Why?

SandyPaws4


I have that pretty well figured out paws, but it's so much fun roasting you I just can't resist.

Squid Pro Quo
Roasting me for what? Does not everyone on this forum have an expectation of having private property rights? I would say they do, otherwise there would be no such thing as "vacation rentals" since anyone could just go and stay/live in any OBX home they wish for however long they wish.


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Wait till his little buddy jumps in and starts using the C word again ! Could't contain yourself could you , Squiddy !!!


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Wait till his little buddy jumps in and starts using the C word again ! Could't contain yourself could you , Squiddy !!!

izzymcgee


No , Izzy , I couldn ' t .

Besides your wingnut quotation mark and exclamation point spacing, you missed an "N" in couldn't.
And who's my little buddy? If you're talking about BF, he was once more bad azz then you'll ever be. As a matter of fact, he still is.

P.S: I love the way you like your own posts so quickly !


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So now you are the self imposed grammar police of the Forum in addition to resident expert ? Is that the best you got ?


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Izzy ! You ' re a cretin !


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