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RE: WNC opening back up




Not so accurate, but very popular on social media.


RE: WNC opening back up




Not so accurate, but very popular on social media.

KDHBreeze


How about telling us what is accurate and share sources. I don't care one way or another as I have no intention of going out there, but providing accurate information would be helpful to those wishing to travel.

Click to follow link...


RE: WNC opening back up




Not so accurate, but very popular on social media.

KDHBreeze


How about telling us what is accurate and share sources. I don't care one way or another as I have no intention of going out there, but providing accurate information would be helpful to those wishing to travel.

Click to follow link...

Mstaszew


To what end? It's of no consequence in people's decision making.


RE: WNC opening back up




Not so accurate, but very popular on social media.

KDHBreeze


How about telling us what is accurate and share sources. I don't care one way or another as I have no intention of going out there, but providing accurate information would be helpful to those wishing to travel.

Click to follow link...

Mstaszew


To what end? It's of no consequence in people's decision making.

KDHBreeze


There was a simple list of towns accepting visitors to which you replied it is not accurate. Just simply saying which towns are in fact, closed, would go a long way.


RE: WNC opening back up




Not so accurate, but very popular on social media.

KDHBreeze


How about telling us what is accurate and share sources. I don't care one way or another as I have no intention of going out there, but providing accurate information would be helpful to those wishing to travel.

Click to follow link...

Mstaszew


To what end? It's of no consequence in people's decision making.

KDHBreeze


There was a simple list of towns accepting visitors to which you replied it is not accurate. Just simply saying which towns are in fact, closed, would go a long way.

Mstaszew


There are no closed towns.

There are closed roads.


RE: WNC opening back up





There are no closed towns.

There are closed roads.


*Chimney Rock has entered the chat*

Seriously though, NC west of Bryson City area wasn't as hard hit, and everything (with exceptions) out that way is generally open as normal


RE: WNC opening back up




If any of you have the means or motivation, try and visit those places that are open. They totally depend on tourist dollars and October is the perfect time to go. A good friend lives in Hendersonville and they are open.

My son plans to visit WNC with a coworker whose family owns a lumber company to assist with whatever they can do with this lumber company. He had to work in Houston this week which cut into his helping plan, but is planning a trip...not for siteseeing, but to help his fellow North Carolinians. He lives in Charlotte. He is just sick about this as we all are. It will take months and months....if not longer, to bring these people back.


RE: WNC opening back up




Not so accurate, but very popular on social media.

KDHBreeze


How about telling us what is accurate and share sources. I don't care one way or another as I have no intention of going out there, but providing accurate information would be helpful to those wishing to travel.

Click to follow link...

Mstaszew


To what end? It's of no consequence in people's decision making.

KDHBreeze


There was a simple list of towns accepting visitors to which you replied it is not accurate. Just simply saying which towns are in fact, closed, would go a long way.

Mstaszew


There are no closed towns.

There are closed roads.

KDHBreeze



Many thanks for all the helpful and highly detailed (mis)information.

And the the former residents of the town of Chimney Rock, NC radioed in to say that they disagree with your assessment.




RE: WNC opening back up




If any of you have the means or motivation, try and visit those places that are open. They totally depend on tourist dollars and October is the perfect time to go. A good friend lives in Hendersonville and they are open.

My son plans to visit WNC with a coworker whose family owns a lumber company to assist with whatever they can do with this lumber company. He had to work in Houston this week which cut into his helping plan, but is planning a trip...not for siteseeing, but to help his fellow North Carolinians. He lives in Charlotte. He is just sick about this as we all are. It will take months and months....if not longer, to bring these people back.

Bentmtn


If you want to support the local businesses, purchase from them. Most businesses have an online presence, and have goods and services that can be ordered online. Many have gift certificates as well. They also have staffing shortages due to how their workforce was, and now is, disbursed. It's the holiday season when people will be buying gifts anyway. It's a great time to make a difference without taking resources. That tack is already bringing much needed income into the area, without the pressure to perform. (Nor the long drive around the disaster area.

Even the Home Depot there that lost 21 people is having to transfer people in from out of state to keep the store available. They can train up a new hire quickly instead and at less cost. They just couldn't find enough hires.

Municipalities have been putting out the call for tourists in many areas for sure. They don't have the same interests as the people who are trying to live and work there. If you're in an area mostly unscathed, you're still paying more for gas than usual due to the massive influx of gasoline purchasing (disaster > the highest peak of tourism) and supplies are more expensive and sell out. It's just the nature when the "open" areas mostly undamaged become the staging grounds for the recovery workers.

Towns are worried they'll lose their tourism forever if people don't come this month or next. These are the same towns and counties that have comprehensive multi tier evacuation schedules by law and despite half a dozen landslides in the days of the previous storm and almost all bodies of water in the region at historic levels, with the Helene warning and more than 48 hours didn't even evacuate tourists, nor tell them to go to Wal Mart and stock food and water for 3-7 days. And it's sad because needing to do drops to those people, and do rescue sooner delayed help to those whose need was more urgent because they were more remote and cut off, or because they'd entirely lost shelter, and that cost us lives.

Hopefully this was at least a wake up call for the counties. None of the people making these decisions had seen large scale destruction the way, honestly, all of the rest of NC has in the last 3 decades. That luck tends to breed a complacency. Because, all things considered, NC was lucky. There could have been another rain storm after Helene like the one before it. Thankfully it missed the west and went east. otherwise the death toll would have been very bad. And road repairs in their current stage will be fragile and susceptible to water for many months going forward until they can get the funding in place to do more permanent repairs, whenever Congress finds it in their heart to allocate disaster funds. But since Congress is currently forcing FEMA to shelve projects like the Rodanthe homes and a program to raise Tampa homes while they're being rebuilt/gut reno'd, I don't expect much work or compassion from Congress.

What we can do without taking up resources will help them recover faster, even if it doesn't inflate the "business as usual" tourism numbers the municipalities use to get public and private funding for pet projects. I can understand their urge for tourism and normalcy. But I can also appreciate the statistics that prove time and again the faster you push for it, the more you push the residents out of the region. To investors and to towns that's an opportunity to level up. But is that really an improvement? Not for the people.

Most of us will be buying holiday presents. We can leverage that to make a difference for these people, instead of furthering their replacement.


RE: WNC opening back up




Not so accurate, but very popular on social media.

KDHBreeze


How about telling us what is accurate and share sources. I don't care one way or another as I have no intention of going out there, but providing accurate information would be helpful to those wishing to travel.

Click to follow link...

Mstaszew


To what end? It's of no consequence in people's decision making.

KDHBreeze


There was a simple list of towns accepting visitors to which you replied it is not accurate. Just simply saying which towns are in fact, closed, would go a long way.

Mstaszew


There are no closed towns.

There are closed roads.

KDHBreeze



Many thanks for all the helpful and highly detailed (mis)information.

And the the former residents of the town of Chimney Rock, NC radioed in to say that they disagree with your assessment.

OBX4USALL


The Town of Chimney Rock is mostly intact in terms of homes and businesses. But you'd have to know something other than what has been disaster porn on social media to realize that. Yes, that downtown area was destroyed, primarily because the structures there were what you'll find in many towns in the US - built close to the road for convenience and necessity. But roads become rivers, and rivers extending beyond their shoulders. Once they catch the frontice of buildings, it's a bit like pulling the plug in a boat. Even if water didn't rush into them, the physics of construction means they pancake in. I don't recommend anyone watchg the video of it happening. it's the stuff of nightmares. But the aftermath has made people believe Chimney Rock is "gone." It's not. There are homes there that are mostly unscathed, just mostly inaccessible to the public because of the extensive road damage. Because of the way it happened, those with homes that survived are mostly cut off from those who lost homes and buildings, which is it's own sort of hell in limiting how much they can pull together and help one another.

That downtown area is gone, but there are vacation rentals up and ready if they only had more functional roads.


RE: WNC opening back up




Not so accurate, but very popular on social media.

KDHBreeze


How about telling us what is accurate and share sources. I don't care one way or another as I have no intention of going out there, but providing accurate information would be helpful to those wishing to travel.

Click to follow link...

Mstaszew


To what end? It's of no consequence in people's decision making.

KDHBreeze


There was a simple list of towns accepting visitors to which you replied it is not accurate. Just simply saying which towns are in fact, closed, would go a long way.

Mstaszew


There are no closed towns.

There are closed roads.

KDHBreeze



Many thanks for all the helpful and highly detailed (mis)information.

And the the former residents of the town of Chimney Rock, NC radioed in to say that they disagree with your assessment.

OBX4USALL


The Town of Chimney Rock is mostly intact in terms of homes and businesses. But you'd have to know something other than what has been disaster porn on social media to realize that. Yes, that downtown area was destroyed, primarily because the structures there were what you'll find in many towns in the US - built close to the road for convenience and necessity. But roads become rivers, and rivers extending beyond their shoulders. Once they catch the frontice of buildings, it's a bit like pulling the plug in a boat. Even if water didn't rush into them, the physics of construction means they pancake in. I don't recommend anyone watchg the video of it happening. it's the stuff of nightmares. But the aftermath has made people believe Chimney Rock is "gone." It's not. There are homes there that are mostly unscathed, just mostly inaccessible to the public because of the extensive road damage. Because of the way it happened, those with homes that survived are mostly cut off from those who lost homes and buildings, which is it's own sort of hell in limiting how much they can pull together and help one another.

That downtown area is gone, but there are vacation rentals up and ready if they only had more functional roads.

KDHBreeze


You stated:

“There are no closed towns.”

Which is demonstrably false, because this:

“As of Wednesday, here are the mountain towns/cities that are NOT welcoming visitors right now:

Swannanoa
Asheville
Black Mountain
Old Fort
Chimney Rock
Lake Lure
Bat Cave
Marshall
Hot Springs
Burnsville
Spruce Pine”

Accuracy is important at times like these.



RE: WNC opening back up






You stated:

“There are no closed towns.”

Which is demonstrably false, because this:

“As of Wednesday, here are the mountain towns/cities that are NOT welcoming visitors right now:

Swannanoa
Asheville
Black Mountain
Old Fort
Chimney Rock
Lake Lure
Bat Cave
Marshall
Hot Springs
Burnsville
Spruce Pine”

Accuracy is important at times like these.

OBX4USALL


Accuracy is important. The towns on that list are not closed. "Not welcoming visitors" in NC means that the municipal authority and chamber of commerce are not actively seeking and soliciting tourism business. If the towns were closed, they would be NG restricted to only residents with ID, similar to the re-entry process after evacuation in Dare County. That's not the case. NG are posted where needed to redirect travel away from closed roads that are either awaiting a repair or actively undergoing repair, as they're trying to keep traffic from proceeding to the point where they can't proceed and have to turn around in areas that are not ideal for doing so, having gone well out of their way in the process.


RE: WNC opening back up






You stated:

“There are no closed towns.”

Which is demonstrably false, because this:

“As of Wednesday, here are the mountain towns/cities that are NOT welcoming visitors right now:

Swannanoa
Asheville
Black Mountain
Old Fort
Chimney Rock
Lake Lure
Bat Cave
Marshall
Hot Springs
Burnsville
Spruce Pine”

Accuracy is important at times like these.

OBX4USALL


Accuracy is important. The towns on that list are not closed. "Not welcoming visitors" in NC means that the municipal authority and chamber of commerce are not actively seeking and soliciting tourism business. If the towns were closed, they would be NG restricted to only residents with ID, similar to the re-entry process after evacuation in Dare County. That's not the case. NG are posted where needed to redirect travel away from closed roads that are either awaiting a repair or actively undergoing repair, as they're trying to keep traffic from proceeding to the point where they can't proceed and have to turn around in areas that are not ideal for doing so, having gone well out of their way in the process.

KDHBreeze


You can parse the word “Closed” any way you like, but your Governor had this to say about that:

“'We don't want you here': NC Gov. Cooper to fall color tourists after historic floods

Cooper said he only wants people who are dedicated to response efforts coming to the region.

"Whenever you come to Western North Carolina you get emergency notifications that we don't want you here unless you are directly helping with the response," Cooper told the Citizen Times Oct. 3 in .“

And I’ll take his word over yours, thanks all the same.


RE: WNC opening back up




There are a lot of words in a simple thread with a list of towns that would like to see tourist dollars and those that are too effed up to handle tourists. Why so much 'splaining going on in here? The pic with a list of towns was complete and self explanatory.


RE: WNC opening back up




There are a lot of words in a simple thread with a list of towns that would like to see tourist dollars and those that are too effed up to handle tourists. Why so much 'splaining going on in here? The pic with a list of towns was complete and self explanatory.

Mstaszew


Because the image glosses over the fact that the needs of recovery are being sacrificed to the desire of towns to not have the scpecter of a black mark on tourism as people realize the WNC mountains are not the more affordable, less likely to be interrupted by evacuations alternative to the flooding, storms, and erosion of the NC Coast. I understand their PR concerns. I do. I just don't place them over the lives of people pushed to their breaking point now having to choose between tents in a field or temp rental 2 hours away.

It glosses over that the areas with less damage are gravely needed for relief workers and construction workers as well as displaced families who have damaged or lost homes. And yes, those who own STRs and hotels will certainly make better income from tourists than from these other groups, through they're finding out just how badly disappointed tourists review a stay when they can't do all the touristy things (If you must be a tourist traveling through or around a disaster area, at least show them some grace when it's not your dream vacation and you can't do your bucket list items.).

And because most people here haven't been through these areas since the devastation, haven't been working relief efforts, and haven't spent hours trying to find people basic shelter so they have no real context for the choice they're making, nor what it costs others. Would you not want people making an informed choice? Or is social media image all the information we can handle these days?

We're a bit forgetting that this on an individual basis is much more devastating than any OBX hurricane because so many have no home insurance and even fewer had flood insurance. What they've lost, they've lost forever. And some of them will need SBA loans just to cover the mortgage amount they'll still owe on a home that's gone, or to fully fund the rehab of what's salvageable. And find some way to make it to work, make it to their property, and keep their kids in school. Could you?



RE: WNC opening back up






You stated:

“There are no closed towns.”

Which is demonstrably false, because this:

“As of Wednesday, here are the mountain towns/cities that are NOT welcoming visitors right now:

Swannanoa
Asheville
Black Mountain
Old Fort
Chimney Rock
Lake Lure
Bat Cave
Marshall
Hot Springs
Burnsville
Spruce Pine”

Accuracy is important at times like these.

OBX4USALL


Accuracy is important. The towns on that list are not closed. "Not welcoming visitors" in NC means that the municipal authority and chamber of commerce are not actively seeking and soliciting tourism business. If the towns were closed, they would be NG restricted to only residents with ID, similar to the re-entry process after evacuation in Dare County. That's not the case. NG are posted where needed to redirect travel away from closed roads that are either awaiting a repair or actively undergoing repair, as they're trying to keep traffic from proceeding to the point where they can't proceed and have to turn around in areas that are not ideal for doing so, having gone well out of their way in the process.

KDHBreeze


You can parse the word “Closed” any way you like, but your Governor had this to say about that:

“'We don't want you here': NC Gov. Cooper to fall color tourists after historic floods

Cooper said he only wants people who are dedicated to response efforts coming to the region.

"Whenever you come to Western North Carolina you get emergency notifications that we don't want you here unless you are directly helping with the response," Cooper told the Citizen Times Oct. 3 in .“

And I’ll take his word over yours, thanks all the same.

OBX4USALL


You certainly have an odd way of making my point, even if you want your own personal definition of "closed."

Also, Cooper's comments were about the region, specifically inclusive of the areas the image listed as "currently welcoming visitors"

If you're not taking a road that is badly damaged, you won't be stopped. That also doesn't mean that you should go. It also doesn't mean you're helping vs. harming.

As long as the choice is an informed one, up to y'all what you can live with.


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As long as the choice is an informed one, up to y'all what you can live with.

KDHBreeze


Two of us in this thread noted how you were claiming that “No towns were closed”, when said towns and the Governor were telling everyone “Don’t come!!!”, meaning for all intents and purposes they are closed to everyone but residents and responders.

Sorry, but that’s not “informing” anyone in any way that’s useful.






RE: WNC opening back up






As long as the choice is an informed one, up to y'all what you can live with.

KDHBreeze


Two of us in this thread noted how you were claiming that “No towns were closed”, when said towns and the Governor were telling everyone “Don’t come!!!”, meaning for all intents and purposes they are closed to everyone but residents and responders.

Sorry, but that’s not “informing” anyone in any way that’s useful.



OBX4USALL


Cooper was and is telling people to not enter the areas on both of the lists unless they are rescue/relief/construction volunteers or residents, soundly disagreeing with the list's assertion. If you want to take his word over mine (despite his agreeing with me) and then take the word of this graphic over his.....well, that's nonsensical, but you do you.

There are no towns closed. There are roads closed.

There are, now finally some housing vouchers so we can get people housed. That took much longer than expected. The trick now will be matching them with available properties before the "open for business" message gets ahead of them.


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There are no towns closed. There are roads closed.

KDHBreeze


And if’n you can’t get into said town, then it is de facto closed.

It’s a distinction without a difference, and everyone reading knows it, to include you.


RE: WNC opening back up






There are no towns closed. There are roads closed.

KDHBreeze


And if’n you can’t get into said town, then it is in fact de facto closed.

It’s a distinction without a difference, and everyone reading knows it, to include you.

OBX4USALL


You don't get your own definition of a town being closed.

But, even if you did, there are zero towns in that region that you "can't get into."

There are some roads you cant travel on a particular day, because they have pieces missing or because the road crews are working on them, but every town on that list has several functional roads into and out of it. If they didn't, we'd still be doing massive air drops of supplies.


RE: WNC opening back up






There are no towns closed. There are roads closed.

KDHBreeze


And if’n you can’t get into said town, then it is in fact de facto closed.

It’s a distinction without a difference, and everyone reading knows it, to include you.

OBX4USALL


You don't get your own definition of a town being closed.

But, even if you did, there are zero towns in that region that you "can't get into."

There are some roads you cant travel on a particular day, because they have pieces missing or because the road crews are working on them, but every town on that list has several functional roads into and out of it. If they didn't, we'd still be doing massive air drops of supplies.

KDHBreeze


I know you want so very much to be right, but sadly, you’re just not:


“Lake Lure and Chimney Rock have been completely cut off, with police stopping people from attempting the now perilous route.

Oct 6, 2024”

And:

“Where humans can't, mules can: How mules are saving the day by reaching western NC's most inaccessible communities

Posted 6:22 p.m. Oct 13”

Closed, unless you brought your mule team with you in the back of your SUV.




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Some people just love to argue, don't they?


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Some people just love to argue, don't they?

DoubleSwitch


You misspelled "Healthy Debate".


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