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So... what's going on at the point?

So... what's going on at the point?




Someone posted elsewhere on the site that a NPS employee told them that ALL of the point is closed. The "Cape Hatteras Beach Access Daily access to beach areas within Cape Hatteras National Seashore" Google map as of today showed pedestrian access for the entire point with the exception of a small section south of Ramp 44.

So... I'm asking!


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Kind of sneaky of them, isn't it. The Point is open to pedestrian access, but the two red closed areas effectively block it to pedestrian access. This is one of NPSs tricks. They have a long stretch open to vehicular access, but two short red sections near the ramps, then they claim the miles are open, which is technically true, but if you can't get to them, are they really open?

Here's an aerial picture taken a few days ago. ORVs north of the narrows. There are also some vehicles in the colonial waterbird closure, near the lake outlet. NPS vehicles? They don't appear to be white. Birders vehicles granted special access "because they care"? Wouldn't be the first time. The Golden Rule.....




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Looks like you can park at ramp 44 and hike over salt pond road for pedestrian access?


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Looks as though the entire point is barren of any human activity! The best surf fishing spot on this entire earth - with zero people fishing it! There is a crime being committed here!!!!!


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Looks like you can park at ramp 44 and hike over salt pond road for pedestrian access?


Yep, youre right. My bad. The salt ponds road was closed last time i looked.

Still, a mighty long hike thru soft sand for a guy with an artificial hip.




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I drive the beach,
I fish the beach,
but I gotta admit that the first photo looks nice without vehicles on the beach.
Not because you shouldn't be allowed on the beach, but just because it looks nice and deserted.


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Beach Fred, that's why we came to Cape Hatteras....for the open beaches. and fishing everywhere you choose. Talked to a friend at Conner's this afternoon who had been to ramp 49 and found that there was not a vacant spot to park. Drove off. He noted that the beaches used to be so crowded only on the holiday weekends, and that was when we had open beaches for miles. But NPS says visitation is up. Ha. Confused


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Beach Fred, that's why we came to Cape Hatteras....for the open beaches. and fishing everywhere you choose. Talked to a friend at Conner's this afternoon who had been to ramp 49 and found that there was not a vacant spot to park. Drove off. He noted that the beaches used to be so crowded only on the holiday weekends, and that was when we had open beaches for miles. But NPS says visitation is up. Ha. Confused


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Beach Fred, that's why we came to Cape Hatteras....for the open beaches. and fishing everywhere you choose. Talked to a friend at Conner's this afternoon who had been to ramp 49 and found that there was not a vacant spot to park. Drove off. He noted that the beaches used to be so crowded only on the holiday weekends, and that was when we had open beaches for miles. But NPS says visitation is up. Ha. Confused


Barbara, I also remember those wide open beach days and fishing where ever we thought was going to be the best place.
Personally, that's why unless I am with family or close friends, I keep my lips sealed about the Outer Banks. In my opinion, the less who know the better for those of us who do know.


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When I checked earlier today you could walk to the point from ramp 45. but no vehicle access.


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When I checked earlier today you could walk to the point from ramp 45. but no vehicle access.


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When I checked earlier today you could walk to the point from ramp 45. but no vehicle access.


Did you actually walk that distance?


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Yea. Pulled a cart with 6 rods, a small cooler, a small tackle box, some bait, and an umbrella. Very pleasant morning walk. Lots of shells in the hook.


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2dogsfishing.......we used do do that for a couple years before we got a 4x4...exhausting! So, we got a 4x4, then they closed the access....ya can't win.
We're getting up there in the age bracket (!) so walking and pulling all that stuff is just too much. Just walking would be ok, but not having to pull rods, coolers, etc, etc. And......then can you leave tire tracks from the pull cart?? Or will the NPS shoot you??? I know you have to stay in the water line so you don't leave footprints.....the birds will fall into your footprints & die. This whole thing is a disgrace.


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ILVHTRS, I have been gone for a couple days so dont know today's beach status. A few days ago you could walk from ramp 45 to the point without having to be in the water. Walking from ramp 44 there was a section you had to go around by walking through the water. I have a hard time with the NPS not providing vehicle access to the point from 45 when there are no bird or turtle closures on that side, but are on the 44 side. I know that the present rules do not allow that, know that they claim they can't change those rules until 5 years are up, hope they will change them at the end of the 5 year period, but greatly doubt that they will. It would be so easy to have a reasonable set of rules in place that would protect the birds and turtles, provide places for people to walk the beach without vehicles present, and provide good orv access. I am afraid that will never happen. The NPS puts very little emphasis on the people side of the equation and a great deal of emphasis on the resource side. I think that is great somewhere like Yellowstone, but Cape Hatteras was meant to be a recreation area. It needs to be managed differently, but will not be as long as it falls under the NPS.


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ILVHTRS, I have been gone for a couple days so dont know today's beach status. A few days ago you could walk from ramp 45 to the point without having to be in the water. Walking from ramp 44 there was a section you had to go around by walking through the water. I have a hard time with the NPS not providing vehicle access to the point from 45 when there are no bird or turtle closures on that side, but are on the 44 side. I know that the present rules do not allow that, know that they claim they can't change those rules until 5 years are up, hope they will change them at the end of the 5 year period, but greatly doubt that they will. It would be so easy to have a reasonable set of rules in place that would protect the birds and turtles, provide places for people to walk the beach without vehicles present, and provide good orv access. I am afraid that will never happen. The NPS puts very little emphasis on the people side of the equation and a great deal of emphasis on the resource side. I think that is great somewhere like Yellowstone, but Cape Hatteras was meant to be a recreation area. It needs to be managed differently, but will not be as long as it falls under the NPS.


Well said. Congress originally created the CHNSRA, and NPS administratively changed it to CHNS. Under the original charter, resource conservation was a secondary consideration to recreational use.

Congress should be pizzed that their original intent was side stepped by paper pushers. You don't see anyone trying to change the charter of PINWR in order to build a theme park....

NPS should return the park to the function Congress intended. I assume even Congresscritters knew the difference between a Recreational Area and a Wildlife Refuge.


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Problem is congress has directed NPS to manage all areas in the same manner. They do not have a choice. Makes no sense, but CHNS is managed just like Yellowstone. Another good example of Congress passing laws they really knew nothing about. Just read somewhere that 90 some percent of congressmen get re elected while congress has something like a 10 percent approval rating from the populace. I sure wish everyone was required to vote. Too many of us ****, but are not involved in the electoral process. I, for one, vote in every election, but do not want to associate myself with the a-holes in any other part of the electoral process. Sort of the lay down with dogs, get up with fleas point of view. I guess I should change.


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We decided to park at ramp 45 last Friday and enjoyed a beautiful day. I understand the frustration for those who are unable to access this beautiful sandbar.....




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So, anyone hearing if the point may be open by next week?


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So, anyone hearing if the point may be open by next week?


When we arrived on Saturday Frank (Frank & Fran's) thought it would be 7-10 days. I hope it does open for your stay Amy. I notice RDT forums mention something about the possibility of a bird closure, but I know nothing about that conjecture.


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Why is the point closed to vehicles right NOW?


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Why is the point closed to vehicles right NOW?

I believe a couple of turtle nest in the narrows. Did I read that right? The birds they were waiting on to strengthen up their wings and fly better should be long past ready by now, or is their a mandated date with the turtle nest that is keeping it closed?


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I'm waiting till Friday to buy a one week permit. just hope opens sometime before 8/31. Probably will open on Tuesday 9/2, right after the holiday weekend.




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If there is room, can you not drive behind turtle nests once they are identified and marked?


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