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Ocracoke's South Point and trapped birds.

Ocracoke's South Point and trapped birds.




2 things. 1. Does anyone know why the inlet portion on South Point seems to be permanently closed now to ORV's? We enjoyed that spot tremendously last year and now there appears to be permanent stakes there, not just the typical sign and string.

2. When we pulled up there was a gull hung in the strings that were protecting the "bird use area". We set him free, but it was heartbreaking to watch him struggle, and then realize he would probably never fly again since there was no telling how long he had been hung there and his wing was no longer working properly. As we walked along the inlet beach looking for shells and checking out all the horseshoe crabs that washed up, we saw another gull hung in the string, this one was dead. Clearly gulls are not endangered, threatened, etc, but this makes me wonder how many of the species they are trying to protect meet the same fate as these gulls did.


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Amy,

Any pictures of those gulls?


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I do, but seem to be having trouble getting them to post. I wish I had taken more.


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OK, it seemed to be a format issue. Unfortunately re saving in a new format makes the quality not as good.




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Dead gull




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In the background of the 1st picture you can also see the permanent stakes put up to close off the inlet beach.


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Seagulls are protected. I wonder how they consider this "bycatch"?

When we interfere with natural selection and chose which species will survive and which are expendable the costs are almost always questionable. When the NPS trapping program eliminates so many possums that the snakes, venomous and otherwise, are having a population explosion on Hatteras maybe one would believe all was not so well though out?

We grinding up raptors in our wind farms and turning birds into torches, "streamers", in the solar concentrators out west. Enviro extremism gone awry! The real costs of protecting a few birds at the extreme of their nesting range is calculated in more than just dollars. The posts are so close I really don't get the blight of all of the strings anyway.


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All I know is, it's hard to explain that string everywhere, to my 5 year old son who asks a million questions. It's supposed to be to protect, and yet, there are dead and dying birds hung in it. That was something that had never occurred to me until this trip and it really got the wheels turning.


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All I know is, it's hard to explain that string everywhere, to my 5 year old son who asks a million questions. It's supposed to be to protect, and yet, there are dead and dying birds hung in it. That was something that had never occurred to me until this trip and it really got the wheels turning.


The law of unintended consequences. It happens every day, every where for all kinda reasons. The key to success is to interpret the findings and correct the mistakes as soon as possible. Seems to me someone in authority needs to man up.


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Biggestsquid,I've come across 3 copperheads in the Buxton area. The last one was on the other end of the Lighthouse camp ground.


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2 things. 1. Does anyone know why the inlet portion on South Point seems to be permanently closed now to ORV's? We enjoyed that spot tremendously last year and now there appears to be permanent stakes there, not just the typical sign and string.



The inlet area has been designated a VFA (Vehicle Free Area). Can't drive on it anytime! Casualty of the final rule laid down by the NPS back in 2012.


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Does anyone know why the inlet portion on South Point seems to be permanently closed now to ORV's? We enjoyed that spot tremendously last year and now there appears to be permanent stakes there, not just the typical sign and string.



The inlet area has been designated a VFA (Vehicle Free Area). Can't drive on it anytime! Casualty of the final rule laid down by the NPS back in 2012.



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The law of unintended consequences. It happens every day, every where for all kinda reasons. The key to success is to interpret the findings and correct the mistakes as soon as possible. Seems to me someone in authority needs to man up.


Agree, but disagree on a one aspect. "Unintended consequences" is what happens when a poorly planned, non-inclusive, non-scientific, poorly thought out rule (not law) is implemented by an Agency. It is an excuse, with no investigation or remedy available to the Public (except every five years).

There will be no investigation or intelligent interpretation, just like the alleged closure violations (knocking down sticks) or the alleged private ORV running over the turtle on OI.

It is the inconvenient truth the NPS does not have to deal with by simply closing the beach and not having to patrol it. And, they therefore escape accountability.

Thanks AmyS. Very informative.



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Kejoga, it was most definitely open just last year. We liked it there so much we went twice. I am wondering 2 hat changed between last year and this year. Was it open by mistake?


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They are protected under the migratory bird act, no matter what.

We need to determine which NPS employee set that bird snare so they can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


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Kejoga, it was most definitely open just last year. We liked it there so much we went twice. I am wondering 2 hat changed between last year and this year. Was it open by mistake?


Amy,

I really don't know. Maybe someone could comment on this. The final rule clearly states this is a vehicle free area which I understand means year round closure to ORV's.



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Two years ago in October I hiked from the public parking at the life guarded beach all the way to the point and back. Long trip. I do not remember where the cut off was for vehicles . I do know that once you make it to the point and hike the inlet side towards the sound you run into a big brick wall so to speak. Signs and ropes and a big chunk of the area all the way to the sound and back towards the village was No one allowed. From water to infinity . I understand birds need a place from us bird and nature loving people, but even with my binocs I could not find a bird in the roped off area. Plenty everywhere else! Just there at the wrong time I guess!


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Oh Amy, I think the closed to everyone area is for wintering and migrating birds. I think that is what I had read. And if some is just for us walkers (VFA) at the very end at the point...dirty joke I think, because it is one heck of a hike to get there. And sadly one I don't think I can do again! Crying smiley


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Our friends who spend a month on Ocracoke every summer said this was the first year for the permanent closure. They've been vacationing on Ocracoke for over 30 years. They were sad.


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Thankyou Beach Bunny, I knew I wasn't going crazy, lol! I really wonder why. The whole inside of the spit was closed for birds (and almost completely under water), and the shoreline was closed to ORV's where the inlet started. This is what it was like last year...




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Thankyou Beach Bunny, I knew I wasn't going crazy, lol! I really wonder why. The whole inside of the spit was closed for birds (and almost completely under water), and the shoreline was closed to ORV's where the inlet started. This is what it was like last year...


Darn shame! I've caught a bunch of blues inside the inlet area a couple hundred yards or so from the point.

Still curious as to why it was not closed the previous 2 years. The final rule went into effect February of 2012.


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Thankyou Beach Bunny, I knew I wasn't going crazy, lol! I really wonder why. The whole inside of the spit was closed for birds (and almost completely under water), and the shoreline was closed to ORV's where the inlet started. This is what it was like last year...


Darn shame! I've caught a bunch of blues inside the inlet area a couple hundred yards or so from the point.

Still curious as to why it was not closed the previous 2 years. The final rule went into effect February of 2012.


The only thing I can guess is that maybe they don't feel the inlet is stable enough for vehicles anymore? Last year when high tide came in it cut a triangle off about where I took this picture from and formed a little river. We left before we became stranded, but perhaps others have not? That I can see being fair, but just not deciding to close it for the birds after the past few years not being closed seems unfair.


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When I hiked there a couple of years ago this is a few images of the signage.

image hiking from the point down the inlet side


this is the cut of on the inlet side.


this is looking back down the long line of signs and ropes.


last image of looking towards the sound


I do not know what this area looks like now, going to Ocracoke in over a week, but unable to make that hike now physically, :(.

I do know it was beautiful there even on a cloudy wet day I had ventured out there before!!!!!!!!!

What bothers me, why is it acceptable to harm one creature to protect another? I know many consider sea gulls as trash birds, but they too are listed under the Least Concern list. And if the gulls are getting caught in these strings/ropes, what is to keep their precious birds from getting caught in them?????
They have enough signs that pollute up this beautiful place, enough to make a point. they are contributing to the deaths of birds not helping them.


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Speaking of trapped birds.

I have brought this site out every now and then to show what goes on in the Nat. Seashore. Maybe the large roped off areas are there so the average person won't be able to see what is taking place "behind closed doors".

This site is from an intern that worked on Hatteras a few years ago. I had some pop-up adds come up but I could get them off. Started yesterday when I installed a new printer. Don't know if it is a coincidence or not.

Anyway, here is the site to give you an idea of what happens down there.

Click to follow link...

www.angelfire.com/indie/w...


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Thankyou Beach Bunny, I knew I wasn't going crazy, lol! I really wonder why. The whole inside of the spit was closed for birds (and almost completely under water), and the shoreline was closed to ORV's where the inlet started. This is what it was like last year...


Darn shame! I've caught a bunch of blues inside the inlet area a couple hundred yards or so from the point.

Still curious as to why it was not closed the previous 2 years. The final rule went into effect February of 2012.


The only thing I can guess is that maybe they don't feel the inlet is stable enough for vehicles anymore? Last year when high tide came in it cut a triangle off about where I took this picture from and formed a little river. We left before we became stranded, but perhaps others have not? That I can see being fair, but just not deciding to close it for the birds after the past few years not being closed seems unfair.


Here is what I understand by what I read. When the final rule was implemented, some areas were designated as VEHICLE FREE AREAS where ORV's would no longer be allowed! Period! The sound side of South Point is one of these areas. I really don't think it has anything to do with inlet stability. It's that you CANNOT drive your vehicle there anymore! By no means am I trying to be mean making by saying this. It's what I understand to be fact. Anybody is welcome to chime in and disagree with me. I'm a big boy now and can take it!


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