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When is ORV permitted behind the houses in AVON?

When is ORV permitted behind the houses in AVON?




i did a pretty good amount of searching,and couldnt find the info... but does anyone know when you can drive the entire beachfront in avon? i am pretty sure you can still do it for a portion of the year. we are going in 5 weeks (oct 11)...




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Think it's Nov 1.


RE: When is ORV permitted behind the houses in AVON?




If memory serves me correctly, the beaches in front of Avon (& any of the villages) are closed to ORVS during "the season" which is 5-15 to 9-15.
Sounds like you'll be good to go in October


RE: When is ORV permitted behind the houses in AVON?




Think it's Nov 1.


Oops, I may be wrong then


RE: When is ORV permitted behind the houses in AVON?




i did a pretty good amount of searching,and couldnt find the info... but does anyone know when you can drive the entire beachfront in avon? i am pretty sure you can still do it for a portion of the year. we are going in 5 weeks (oct 11)...



November 1 - March 31 (according to the "Off-Road Vehicle Management Plan / Environmental Impact Statement")

parkplanning.nps.gov/docu...


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Disregard my first post. That was what used to be........ ~sigh~


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The good old days...


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The good old days were when there were no oceanside rental cottages and the beach was 2000 feet to the east.


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Yes, you must mean when it was all privately owned.


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In the old days, we would drive to the tackle shop, load up with bait and ice, then drive onto the beach and park right in front of our rental cottage in Avon. I was a novice fisherman at the time, and I now realize how silly this was. The luxury of driving on the beach is that you can try to "find" the fish, yet we parked right where we could have walked in 2 minutes. That being said, it was nice not having to lug all of the beach/fishing gear to the beach every day.
Now years later, still renting rental cottages in either Avon or Frisco, I actually like that ORV's aren't allowed in front of the villages. I know this isn't popular, but it does make for a much more peaceful beach experience, and without ORV traffic, the beach in front of our rental does seem like OUR beach.


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There are places in Avon and Frisco beaches in front of rental cottages that at high tide you would be sitting or fishing on the beach within 50 feet or less of where vehicles would be passing by you. People don't realize that the ORV route is from the toe of the dune to the waterline. There is enough beach in the Park for driving that some of the villages should have remained vehicle free year round and some others with seasonal ORV use. When the Park was established the beach was huge and there was little traffic of any kind in front of most of the village beaches. Because of visitor saftey, recreational conflicts and specfic NPS mandates a more restrictive management of ORVs was inevitable.


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The good old days were when there were no oceanside rental cottages and the beach was 2000 feet to the east.


And Rt. 12 didn't exist, and the beach was the road.


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There are places in Avon and Frisco beaches in front of rental cottages that at high tide you would be sitting or fishing on the beach within 50 feet or less of where vehicles would be passing by you. People don't realize that the ORV route is from the toe of the dune to the waterline. There is enough beach in the Park for driving that some of the villages should have remained vehicle free year round and some others with seasonal ORV use. When the Park was established the beach was huge and there was little traffic of any kind in front of most of the village beaches. Because of visitor saftey, recreational conflicts and specfic NPS mandates a more restrictive management of ORVs was inevitable.


We last rented in Avon in 2012. We were appropriately 10 houses from the southern end of Avon. The beach there was so small and so steep, I couldnt imagine driving on it even if it was legal.


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There was plenty of beach in the 50's 60's and 70's and few to no houses and hwy 12.
Yes the beach was the road and other places too.

Second what Bosoxtodd said also. Ridiculous to let cars drive on any beach that is smaller than 100 yds in width from dune to the highest tide line.


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Ridiculous to let cars drive on any beach that is smaller than 100 yds in width from dune to the highest tide line.


Agree that at some point, when there's not enough beach, you shouldn't be allowed to drive on them but WOW... 100 yards is a lot of room. I ride to work on a road that has houses on the shoulder a LOT closer than that ... at a legal 55 miles per hour! Am I being ridiculous by doing that?


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No, it is not in any way ridiculous to allow cars to drive on a beach narrower than 100 yds; heck, even a Suburban is a only a bit over 2 yds wide! LOL If that was the rule, almost all the beaches would be closed.


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If that was the rule, almost all the beaches would be closed.


I believe that's the plan.


RE: When is ORV permitted behind the houses in AVON?




If that was the rule, almost all the beaches would be closed.


I believe that's the plan.


It is the plan and always has been.
The plan is implemented slowly and incrementally not just here but all over the country.


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The CHNS's beaches are dedicated to the  preservation of the unique flora and fauna in a primitive wilderness setting where appropriate recreational activities are encouraged. Since the establishment of Highway 12 egress off, on and about Hatteras and Ocracoke island by beach driving is a non sequitur. 

Public  highways where recreational activities activities are generally frowned upon and native  flora and fauna preservation are not considered have little similarity with  an ORV route on a national park beach  that extends from the dune to the water's edge  and parking is allowed anywhere. This is what makes an ORV route on a beach less than 100 yards width seem ridiculous to me This is what makes an ORV route on a beach less than 100 yards width seem ridiculous to me and a point of contention and recreational conflict for non ORV visitors which are increasingly concentrated adjacent to the villages beaches.


RE: When is ORV permitted behind the houses in AVON?




The CHNS's beaches are dedicated to the  preservation of the unique flora and fauna in a primitive wilderness setting where appropriate recreational activities are encouraged. Since the establishment of Highway 12 egress off, on and about Hatteras and Ocracoke island by beach driving is a non sequitur.


I looked up "non sequitur" and understand the meaning. I don't, however, understand what you're trying to say. Could you "expatiate"?


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As someone who has stayed at various location in Avon for a number of years, I cant imagine even off season it being a good idea, even if it is allowed.

The beach goes from fairly wide to extremely narrow very quickly. I would go to one of the ramps and head towards places unpopulated before attempting it in front of the village. Plus the surf fishing in that area is not as good as ramp locatios south on HI.


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The CHNS's beaches are dedicated to the  preservation of the unique flora and fauna in a primitive wilderness setting where appropriate recreational activities are encouraged.
How about getting the CHNSRA's founding legislation right and stop twisting and misconstruing it?

The beaches are for CLEARLY set aside for recreation, not birds as per the founding legislation: "Except for certain portions of the area, deemed to be especially adaptable for recreational uses, particularly swimming, boating, sailing, fishing, and other recreational activities of similar nature, which shall be developed for such uses as needed, the said area shall be permanently reserved as a primitive wilderness and no development of the project or plan for the convenience of visitors shall be undertaken which would be incompatible with the preservation of the unique flora and fauna or the physiographic conditions now prevailing in this area..”

It is other areas that are to be set aside as a 'primitive wilderness'.


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How do you get that recreation (or ORV access) is the primary mission ahead of anything else even if you don't consider the ESA and the Organic Act? In any case I agree that recreation is a very important consideration, it is why I am ok with some ORV use in designated areas at designated times.

"no development of the project or plan for the convenience of visitors shall be undertaken"



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Beachmark, The word RECREATION was not part of the formal title of the park when in 1937 congress penned the enabling laungue that you quoted.

The word RECREATION was add in 1940 when it was decided that hunting would be allowed. Hunting is not something that occurs at most national parks so the word recreation was added to the title.

Courts use the plain meaning rule to determine legislative intent. A federal court has already ruled preservation of the flora and funa as the main function of the seashore. It is what it is until a higher court overrules that decision or congress modifies the law.

Here is what the court wrote on the subject.


"While the Seashore's Enabling Act does specifically mention recreational activities, Congress' intent as to the priority of natural resource protection over recreational use on the Seashore is quite plain: no plan for the convenience of visitors should be implemented if it is incompatible with the preservation of the flora and fauna of the Seashore. As CHAPA concedes, the Seashore's Enabling Act and the Organic Act are not in conflict on this issue, and indeed 'over twenty years of federal court decisions confirm that conservation is the predominant facet of the Organic Act.'"




Gino


RE: When is ORV permitted behind the houses in AVON?




The good old days were when there were no oceanside rental cottages and the beach was 2000 feet to the east.


And Rt. 12 didn't exist, and the beach was the road.


And before the infernal car was invented and man had just stood up on two legs.


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