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Audubon article March/April 2015

Audubon article March/April 2015




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Liar


Audubon is telling like it is, not like what we would like it to be! Thumbs up


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




Liar


Audubon is telling like it is, not like what we would like it to be! Thumbs up


I reckon that is why the article focuses only on ORV's & doesn't mention pedestrian access is denied as well. Don't land your boat in a closure, even in an emergency or you'll be fined $5,000. for a federal offense. USA Flag


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Lots of "poetic license" in there.


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That is a very interesting article....Thanks for posting it. Sad situation, but mostly true. I think maybe this should be posted on the Main Forum also.....more people need to read this.


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




Liar


Audubon is telling like it is, not like what we would like it to be! Thumbs up


I reckon that is why the article focuses only on ORV's & doesn't mention pedestrian access is denied as well. Don't land your boat in a closure, even in an emergency or you'll be fined $5,000. for a federal offense. USA Flag


I recon that the article does not mention that "pedestrian access is denied" because it is NOT denied at CHNS ... has anyone reading this thread and has visited CHNS been denied pedesterian access?




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I personally have not been denied, but I have seen the signs on the beach that say no ORV or pedesterian access............There have been signs that do not allow walking ON the beach....you can stay in the water, but no footprints on the beach.


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




Liar


Audubon is telling like it is, not like what we would like it to be! Thumbs up


I reckon that is why the article focuses only on ORV's & doesn't mention pedestrian access is denied as well. Don't land your boat in a closure, even in an emergency or you'll be fined $5,000. for a federal offense. USA Flag


I recon that the article does not mention that "pedestrian access is denied" because it is NOT denied at CHNS ... has anyone reading this thread and has visited CHNS been denied pedesterian access?



This was not a article about the NPS. Except for the part that explained that the wide area closures didn't produce the results that they expected and alienated the community. Confused



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You are correct.



RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




This article contains some truth but also a great deal of liberty with the facts. To debunk all of the fallacies would be an article of almost equal length. It is written for Aububon to serve their agenda which is understandable in their magazine. The statements about how access restrictions have improved breeding results is IMO absolute bunk and, at very best, even in the viewpoints of closure advocates, unproven. Months of closure at the Point resulted in fewer than a handful of fledglings in 2014. Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!
The island is, for sure, dynamic - like every barrier island everywhere.
Perhaps they sold their beach front inheritance to developers because they figure it is going to wash away?


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




Liar


Audubon is telling like it is, not like what we would like it to be! Thumbs up


I reckon that is why the article focuses only on ORV's & doesn't mention pedestrian access is denied as well. Don't land your boat in a closure, even in an emergency or you'll be fined $5,000. for a federal offense. USA Flag


I recon that the article does not mention that "pedestrian access is denied" because it is NOT denied at CHNS ... has anyone reading this thread and has visited CHNS been denied pedesterian access?



This was not a article about the NPS. Except for the part that explained that the wide area closures didn't produce the results that they expected and alienated the community. Confused


Soooooooooo who said it was about the NPS? I responded to the poster who said "pedestrian access is denied" obviously meaning area at CHNS. Have you been denied ped access while visiting? smiley with shades


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I personally have not been denied, but I have seen the signs on the beach that say no ORV or pedesterian access............There have been signs that do not allow walking ON the beach....you can stay in the water, but no footprints on the beach.


I assume you are referring to areas of seasonal closures for nesting shorebirds and sea turtles which do NOT close the entire beach ... ONLY the area where nesting occurs.


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That is correct too. At other times, you can walk anywhere along the beach.


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Hey Biggestsquid....I love the last sentence in your post.....they did sell their inherited land to developers and WHY? Money, money, money....to hell with the birds, turtles, etc.

But...we are getting off the track here....The article was about the ocean taking over the land.
I thought it was a very interesting article. Probably in 100 years obx will be underwater, but we'll all be gone, so no point arguing about it now.
The ocean wins.


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I personally have not been denied, but I have seen the signs on the beach that say no ORV or pedesterian access............There have been signs that do not allow walking ON the beach....you can stay in the water, but no footprints on the beach.


I assume you are referring to areas of seasonal closures for nesting shorebirds and sea turtles which do NOT close the entire beach ... ONLY the area where nesting occurs.



Oh let's just go there to NPS while we're at it, m'kay. Kill list to protect the birds & turtles: red fox, gray fox, raccoons, VA opossums, coyote, mink, river otter, feral cat/dog & did they add nutria & muskrats?

parkplanning.nps.gov/proj...


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




This article contains some truth but also a great deal of liberty with the facts. To debunk all of the fallacies would be an article of almost equal length. It is written for Aububon to serve their agenda which is understandable in their magazine. The statements about how access restrictions have improved breeding results is IMO absolute bunk and, at very best, even in the viewpoints of closure advocates, unproven. Months of closure at the Point resulted in fewer than a handful of fledglings in 2014. Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!
The island is, for sure, dynamic - like every barrier island everywhere.
Perhaps they sold their beach front inheritance to developers because they figure it is going to wash away?


Here we goooooooooooooo ... Your quote: "Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!"

Yes, weather, natural cycles play a part in yearly shorebird and sea turtle nesting hence 2013 vs 2014 and other years vary; however the temporary seasonal closures help prevent human interaction AFTER the nests are laid. Closures for threatened and Endangered sea turtle are ONLY done for active nests, NOT areas where there is no sea turtle nesting. Ergo the entire beach area of CHNS is NOT closed.


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




I personally have not been denied, but I have seen the signs on the beach that say no ORV or pedesterian access............There have been signs that do not allow walking ON the beach....you can stay in the water, but no footprints on the beach.


I assume you are referring to areas of seasonal closures for nesting shorebirds and sea turtles which do NOT close the entire beach ... ONLY the area where nesting occurs.



Oh let's just go there to NPS while we're at it, m'kay. Kill list to protect the birds & turtles: red fox, gray fox, raccoons, VA opossums, coyote, mink, river otter, feral cat/dog & did they add nutria & muskrats?


Slow day in the Piney's huh? As Bobbyg sez "This was not a article about the NPS."


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




I personally have not been denied, but I have seen the signs on the beach that say no ORV or pedesterian access............There have been signs that do not allow walking ON the beach....you can stay in the water, but no footprints on the beach.


I assume you are referring to areas of seasonal closures for nesting shorebirds and sea turtles which do NOT close the entire beach ... ONLY the area where nesting occurs.



Oh let's just go there to NPS while we're at it, m'kay. Kill list to protect the birds & turtles: red fox, gray fox, raccoons, VA opossums, coyote, mink, river otter, feral cat/dog & did they add nutria & muskrats?


Slow day in the Piney's huh? As Bobbyg sez "This was not a article about the NPS."


The number one predator of the birds are ghost crabs...60%...what is the NPS doing to control them? Well, actually...nothing. Frog Crying smiley They never mention them even though they are prevalent in the studies! How do the massive closures protect the birds from ghost crabs? And how does that relate to working with the locals? (to keep it on topic}


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




This article contains some truth but also a great deal of liberty with the facts. To debunk all of the fallacies would be an article of almost equal length. It is written for Aububon to serve their agenda which is understandable in their magazine. The statements about how access restrictions have improved breeding results is IMO absolute bunk and, at very best, even in the viewpoints of closure advocates, unproven. Months of closure at the Point resulted in fewer than a handful of fledglings in 2014. Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!
The island is, for sure, dynamic - like every barrier island everywhere.
Perhaps they sold their beach front inheritance to developers because they figure it is going to wash away?


Here we goooooooooooooo ... Your quote: "Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!"

Yes, weather, natural cycles play a part in yearly shorebird and sea turtle nesting hence 2013 vs 2014 and other years vary; however the temporary seasonal closures help prevent human interaction AFTER the nests are laid. Closures for threatened and Endangered sea turtle are ONLY done for active nests, NOT areas where there is no sea turtle nesting. Ergo the entire beach area of CHNS is NOT closed.


And what do you do for turtle nests in town beautiful after the eggs are laid? Close the beach to pedestrians to help prevent human interaction? Oh, I forgot, you check their secret locations while you're on your abandoned skeleton hunt. I remember now, it's different where you enjoy your couple of weeks a year at the beach. They don't close vast stretches of beach to human activity for nesting birds and turtles(Including flying mean old kites)


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




I personally have not been denied, but I have seen the signs on the beach that say no ORV or pedesterian access............There have been signs that do not allow walking ON the beach....you can stay in the water, but no footprints on the beach.


I assume you are referring to areas of seasonal closures for nesting shorebirds and sea turtles which do NOT close the entire beach ... ONLY the area where nesting occurs.



Oh let's just go there to NPS while we're at it, m'kay. Kill list to protect the birds & turtles: red fox, gray fox, raccoons, VA opossums, coyote, mink, river otter, feral cat/dog & did they add nutria & muskrats?


Slow day in the Piney's huh? As Bobbyg sez "This was not a article about the NPS."


The number one predator of the birds are ghost crabs...60%...what is the NPS doing to control them? Well, actually...nothing. Frog Crying smiley They never mention them even though they are prevalent in the studies! How do the massive closures protect the birds from ghost crabs? And how does that relate to working with the locals? (to keep it on topic}


As Bobbyg sez "This was not a article about the NPS." Laughing smiley


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




This article contains some truth but also a great deal of liberty with the facts. To debunk all of the fallacies would be an article of almost equal length. It is written for Aububon to serve their agenda which is understandable in their magazine. The statements about how access restrictions have improved breeding results is IMO absolute bunk and, at very best, even in the viewpoints of closure advocates, unproven. Months of closure at the Point resulted in fewer than a handful of fledglings in 2014. Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!
The island is, for sure, dynamic - like every barrier island everywhere.
Perhaps they sold their beach front inheritance to developers because they figure it is going to wash away?


Here we goooooooooooooo ... Your quote: "Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!"

Yes, weather, natural cycles play a part in yearly shorebird and sea turtle nesting hence 2013 vs 2014 and other years vary; however the temporary seasonal closures help prevent human interaction AFTER the nests are laid. Closures for threatened and Endangered sea turtle are ONLY done for active nests, NOT areas where there is no sea turtle nesting. Ergo the entire beach area of CHNS is NOT closed.


And what do you do for turtle nests in town beautiful after the eggs are laid? Close the beach to pedestrians to help prevent human interaction? Oh, I forgot, you check their secret locations while you're on your abandoned skeleton hunt. I remember now, it's different where you enjoy your couple of weeks a year at the beach. They don't close vast stretches of beach to human activity for nesting birds and turtles(Including flying mean old kites)


LOL, Squishy, we can always depend on you to add nonsense to any thread.

Town Beautiful as well as CHNS does not "Close the beach to pedestrians" "vast" ya always make me laugh

During you visit(s) from Maryland to the Outer Banks have you ever been denied access to the beach as a ped? Big grin


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Yes I was denied ped access last year July at the point. Search the threads for Is the point open? I do not drive on the beach- will not pay for that as I am lucky enough to have healthy legs to walk it. I feel for those who do not. It was closed to pedestrian and ORV access. So those may counter with it wasn't the entire coastline of CHNS to which I would reply "You are correct but I believe it is the most beautiful stretch of sand God has given us to enjoy"


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




This article contains some truth but also a great deal of liberty with the facts. To debunk all of the fallacies would be an article of almost equal length. It is written for Aububon to serve their agenda which is understandable in their magazine. The statements about how access restrictions have improved breeding results is IMO absolute bunk and, at very best, even in the viewpoints of closure advocates, unproven. Months of closure at the Point resulted in fewer than a handful of fledglings in 2014. Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!
The island is, for sure, dynamic - like every barrier island everywhere.
Perhaps they sold their beach front inheritance to developers because they figure it is going to wash away?


Here we goooooooooooooo ... Your quote: "Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!"

Yes, weather, natural cycles play a part in yearly shorebird and sea turtle nesting hence 2013 vs 2014 and other years vary; however the temporary seasonal closures help prevent human interaction AFTER the nests are laid. Closures for threatened and Endangered sea turtle are ONLY done for active nests, NOT areas where there is no sea turtle nesting. Ergo the entire beach area of CHNS is NOT closed.


And what do you do for turtle nests in town beautiful after the eggs are laid? Close the beach to pedestrians to help prevent human interaction? Oh, I forgot, you check their secret locations while you're on your abandoned skeleton hunt. I remember now, it's different where you enjoy your couple of weeks a year at the beach. They don't close vast stretches of beach to human activity for nesting birds and turtles(Including flying mean old kites)


LOL, Squishy, we can always depend on you to add nonsense to any thread.

Town Beautiful as well as CHNS does not "Close the beach to pedestrians" "vast" ya always make me laugh

During you visit(s) from Maryland to the Outer Banks have you ever been denied access to the beach as a ped? Big grin


Dude, you don't have any beach for closure! Maybe with the beach nourishment plan you will. Have you seen half of your beaches encroaching on homes and time shares like big time? Especially in the 5 to 8 mp area? Sand bags are not only used in HI and SNH!


RE: Audubon article March/April 2015




This article contains some truth but also a great deal of liberty with the facts. To debunk all of the fallacies would be an article of almost equal length. It is written for Aububon to serve their agenda which is understandable in their magazine. The statements about how access restrictions have improved breeding results is IMO absolute bunk and, at very best, even in the viewpoints of closure advocates, unproven. Months of closure at the Point resulted in fewer than a handful of fledglings in 2014. Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!
The island is, for sure, dynamic - like every barrier island everywhere.
Perhaps they sold their beach front inheritance to developers because they figure it is going to wash away?


Here we goooooooooooooo ... Your quote: "Despite extensive turtle closures the actual nests were 50% of the 2013 number.
Weather, natural cycles and other factors are much more in play than signs and strings!"

Yes, weather, natural cycles play a part in yearly shorebird and sea turtle nesting hence 2013 vs 2014 and other years vary; however the temporary seasonal closures help prevent human interaction AFTER the nests are laid. Closures for threatened and Endangered sea turtle are ONLY done for active nests, NOT areas where there is no sea turtle nesting. Ergo the entire beach area of CHNS is NOT closed.


And what do you do for turtle nests in town beautiful after the eggs are laid? Close the beach to pedestrians to help prevent human interaction? Oh, I forgot, you check their secret locations while you're on your abandoned skeleton hunt. I remember now, it's different where you enjoy your couple of weeks a year at the beach. They don't close vast stretches of beach to human activity for nesting birds and turtles(Including flying mean old kites)


LOL, Squishy, we can always depend on you to add nonsense to any thread.

Town Beautiful as well as CHNS does not "Close the beach to pedestrians" "vast" ya always make me laugh

During you visit(s) from Maryland to the Outer Banks have you ever been denied access to the beach as a ped? Big grin


Dude, you don't have any beach for closure! Maybe with the beach nourishment plan you will. Have you seen half of your beaches encroaching on homes and time shares like big time? Especially in the 5 to 8 mp area? Sand bags are not only used in HI and SNH!


Dude ... that word is sooooo passe ... you are a true kook. Love ya man In love




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The real idiots around here use multiple "O's" when spelling the word "So".
They also think that if they write "Ya" instead of "You" they somehow obfuscate the fact that they are an old out of touch redneck from Fredericksburg.
Pennis, you wouldn't even be cool in a freezer.


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