We are not alone

We are not alone




Protection measures are taken throughout the United States for nesting shorebirds and sea turtles:






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But can you fly kites, or kite surf near those closures?
How do they keep the ocean over wash from inundating their nests? Do the signs work for that too?


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Squid,



Many national seashores have restrictions nothing unusual about CHNS.

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"Kite & Airborne Devices Flying: Use of kites, model planes, drones or any other airborne device above or within 100 yards of any area designated by signs as a “Closed – Bird Nesting Area”, or in lifeguarded beaches, is prohibited. Kites and other airborne devices disturb breeding birds because adult birds view them as birds of prey: This may cause the adult to flee the area, leaving nests exposed and unprotected from the environmental and predator threats. Kite and airborne device flying presents undue hazards to other visitors in crowded lifeguarded beach areas.
Kite Surfing is authorized at the following locations and during the following times:
1) From October 1 through March 15
(a) OCEANSIDE: All waters open
(b) BAYSIDE: All waters open
2) From March 16 through September 30
(c) BAYSIDE: Open from Verrazano Bridge to 1 mile south of Bayside Peninsula (Bayside Rd Picnic Area). The southern limit of this use area is located approximately 150 yards north of Lumber Marsh Island.
(d) OCEANSIDE: Open from the south boundary of Assateague State Park south to the area in the OSV zone know as the “Bullpen” (@KM 21.5) except for the National Park lifeguard protected beach areas (memorial day to labor day) and the OSV zone when closed."

"The maximum number of motor vehicles that are allowed in the Maryland OSV zone at any one time is 145. The maximum number of motor vehicles that are allowed in the Virginia OSV zone at any one time is 48 (18 maximum when the hook is closed due to bird nesting). This limit is based on approximately 12 vehicles per mile to provide for the visitors’ enjoyment, while protecting the fragile resources of the barrier island.
" Beach parties of more than 12 persons are prohibited in the Maryland Developed Area except where allowed by permit in the designated beach party area north of the Maryland lifeguarded beach area. Permitted groups are limited to a maximum of 100 people per site. These restrictions are in place for reasons of visitor safety, avoidance of conflict between visitor use activities, and protection of natural resources."

" All active bird breeding colonies are closed to public entry. Bird breeding areas are closed to public entry during the breeding season to prevent the loss of eggs and chicks through disturbance or destruction by persons, vehicles, and pets. Visitors, pets, and vehicles entering a breeding area cause the parent birds to leave their nests or chicks to avoid contact with the threat, or to lure the threat away from their young. When the adults stop tending to the eggs or young, the offspring are injured or killed by exposure to high temperatures, blowing sand, and predators. Additionally, eggs and chicks are camouflaged to avoid detection making them susceptible to being crushed by pedestrians or vehicles."


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"? Specific areas on Point Reyes Beach which are signed or fenced to protect snowy plover nests from March 1 through September 30 every year are closed to all entry by visitors (including on horseback) in order to protect the Snowy Plover."

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Squid,



Many national seashores have restrictions nothing unusual about CHNS.



Do pedestrians abuse turtle closure restrictions in many national seashores, or is it just the usual at CHNS?




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Squid,



Many national seashores have restrictions nothing unusual about CHNS.



Do pedestrians abuse turtle closure restrictions in many national seashores, or is it just the usual at CHNS?


Probably at the same rate as CHNS. It is VERY uncommon.


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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.


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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.


Matthew,

Note the tire tracks in the picture. Perhaps someone got out of their ORV to do harm to the seasonal closure and I guess that would then make them a ped wouldn't it?


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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.


Matthew,

Note the tire tracks in the picture. Perhaps someone got out of their ORV to do harm to the seasonal closure and I guess that would then make them a ped wouldn't it?


Denise Emily,

The tire tracks in the picture are from the NPS patrol ATV, and the nest is within the boundaries of a village, far from any ORV beach.

Your anti-ORV prejudices are showing again.



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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.



How the hell am I suppose to know that? There are to many questions you haven't considered: per capita the  number of ped vs number of vehicles,  visitors that drive to a place get out of their car become pedestrians then commit a resource infraction. How many ped violations resulted  in a take? How many violations occur at night when ORVs are not allowed on the beach?  I don't have any data on other Parks. How about someplace like Lookout where everyone came over in either a boat or a vehicle? 
The more I think about it the more inane your question is. It is not a comparison that can be logicialy made but i suspect you know. You have an answer from the NPS, again choosing to accept some data while condemning other data. Another one of your ah ha moments that completely escapes me. Everybody wants their cake etc etc.


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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.



How the hell am I suppose to know that? There are to many questions you haven't considered: per capita the number of ped vs number of vehicles, visitors that drive to a place get out of their car become pedestrians then comment a resource infraction. How many ped violations resulted in a take? How many violations occur at night when ORVs are not on the beach? I don't have any data on other Parks. How about someplace like Lookout where everyone came over in either a boat or a vehicle?
The more I think about it the more inane your question is. You already have an answer from the NPS, again choosing to accept some data while condemning other data. Another one of your ah ha moments that completely escapes me. Everybody wants their cake etc etc.


Well, somebody’s a grumpy gus today, and there is a lot that escapes you, most of it based on common sense.

Also funny how you come off as an expert on the NPS until cornered with tough questions.


Here’s an easier one for you:

How many pedestrian violations can you count in the picture?






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"again choosing to accept some data while condemning other data"

Weak sauce again, since you do it regularly to support your opinion. Party


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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.


Matthew,

Note the tire tracks in the picture. Perhaps someone got out of their ORV to do harm to the seasonal closure and I guess that would then make them a ped wouldn't it?


Denise Emily,

The tire tracks in the picture are from the NPS patrol ATV, and the nest is within the boundaries of a village, far from any ORV beach.

Your anti-ORV prejudices are showing again.


MATTHEW

I find it interesting that you expect answers to a question you apparently think you have the answer too.

Silly questions deserve silly answers.


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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.


Matthew,

Note the tire tracks in the picture. Perhaps someone got out of their ORV to do harm to the seasonal closure and I guess that would then make them a ped wouldn't it?


Denise Emily,

The tire tracks in the picture are from the NPS patrol ATV, and the nest is within the boundaries of a village, far from any ORV beach.

Your anti-ORV prejudices are showing again.


MATTHEW

I find it interesting that you expect answers to a question you apparently think you have the answer too.

Silly questions deserve silly answers.


DENISE EMILY

Nice attempt at walking back your anti-ORV prejudices, but sorry, not buying it for a minute. Doubt anyone else here is either.

Thanks for your silly answers, though. The reading between the lines has confirmed much about you and your agenda.



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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.



How the hell am I suppose to know that? There are to many questions you haven't considered: per capita the number of ped vs number of vehicles, visitors that drive to a place get out of their car become pedestrians then comment a resource infraction. How many ped violations resulted in a take? How many violations occur at night when ORVs are not on the beach? I don't have any data on other Parks. How about someplace like Lookout where everyone came over in either a boat or a vehicle?
The more I think about it the more inane your question is. You already have an answer from the NPS, again choosing to accept some data while condemning other data. Another one of your ah ha moments that completely escapes me. Everybody wants their cake etc etc.


Well, somebody’s a grumpy gus today, and there is a lot that escapes you, most of it based on common sense.

Also funny how you come off as an expert on the NPS until cornered with tough questions.


Here’s an easier one for you:

How many pedestrian violations can you count in the picture?





Did you forget how to count too?


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Denise and Oats,

There's a question above you haven't answered.



How the hell am I suppose to know that? There are to many questions you haven't considered: per capita the number of ped vs number of vehicles, visitors that drive to a place get out of their car become pedestrians then comment a resource infraction. How many ped violations resulted in a take? How many violations occur at night when ORVs are not on the beach? I don't have any data on other Parks. How about someplace like Lookout where everyone came over in either a boat or a vehicle?
The more I think about it the more inane your question is. You already have an answer from the NPS, again choosing to accept some data while condemning other data. Another one of your ah ha moments that completely escapes me. Everybody wants their cake etc etc.


Well, somebody’s a grumpy gus today, and there is a lot that escapes you, most of it based on common sense.

Also funny how you come off as an expert on the NPS until cornered with tough questions.


Here’s an easier one for you:

How many pedestrian violations can you count in the picture?





Did you forget how to count too?


Nah, just want to hear your unbiased, objective take on the crime scene.


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I clicked on the thread because I thought it had pictures of aliens landing on the Outer Banks...


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They have already landed. Look no farther than Dennis, the original poster of this thread.


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I thought this thread would be a picture of the alien spacecraft in Buxton.

Geez, while I am not a fan of beach closures, to actually destroy a nesting area it totally uncalled for.


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