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I'd love to hear our environmental warriors that are proud of the action taken by the NPS to deny access to so many to our National Park. Spin me the details of how this 'plan' has done such a great job of helping the Piping Plover. This year we had 2 Piping Plover fledglings, lowest since 2004. Yet, us taxpayers have been denied access to the our prime fishing spots for the majority of the spring and summer. Yes, us fishermen, that not only pay our taxes but also pay for the right to fish these waters, and if so inclined must pay access fees for ORV useage. I know the general suspects will jump me, but tell me how great this is again? If someone could do the math, I'd love to know how much tax dollars per fledgling have been spent to deny us access to these prime fishing spots. 2 American Oyster Catcher's(a bird of concern) have kept the point closed to ORV traffic since sometime in March, and to ALL since sometime shortly thereafter. Why would these birds that we are told are so adverse to human interaction would nest right where the heaviest amount of ORV traffic would be in the entire National Seashore, I have no idea. I personally rode right past them in March, and they did not flinch. Also, 2 weeks later, walked within 25 feet of the same pair. Yet, thousands (not 2) of people can't go to the best fishing spot on the East Coast, and their spending dollars have stayed away also.


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Spend less time in the sun ... it fries your brain.


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!5 pairs, 17 nests, 2 fledged chicks-Sounds like a great success story? They will never make a comeback. And what numbers would be considered a come back?
For the whole story, go to The Island Free Press.


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!5 pairs, 17 nests, 2 fledged chicks-Sounds like a great success story? They will never make a comeback. And what numbers would be considered a come back?
For the whole story, go to The Island Free Press.


Anything over zero.


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Anything over zero is considered a comeback? Really?


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Really, that is the best you got? A personal insult, congrats. That is about what I would expect. Interesting for someone who claims they are against such things.


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Obxfan, those responses are Dennis' "best available science". Don't feel insulted, he's just a little man with a weak brain.


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Anything over zero is considered a comeback? Really?


YES, really. Threatened and endangered species didn't get that classification overnight and yet some expect a immediate "comeback" and want to whine and complain when they do not see immediate positive results.

Ergo, a minus is negative, zero is null and one is positive. YIPPEE


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I have stated it before and will again, it's not about the birds, it's about getting people off the beaches. As it has already been stated, this season has seen 2 fledged chicks, that's not a success, it's a abysmal failure, for a policy that has been in place for at least 10 years. If anything it prove these actions are a not working or at best there impact on the birds is minimal to null. Yet they continue to be inforced.


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Really, that is the best you got? A personal insult, congrats. That is about what I would expect. Interesting for someone who claims they are against such things.


That ain't even close to the best I got, but while posting on this cesspool, I try and keep it at a level you and bubba boy can comprehend.

After all, it isn't about the birds, it is all about your selfish wants.

There I feel better now, so be sure to take your trash to the curb for pickup. Big grin


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"I have stated it before and will again, it's not about the birds, it's about getting people off the beaches."

That is the weakest lamest argument of all. When I read crap like that (and your not the first the first to regurgitate this) all I can think is pitiful.

That is like saying it is not about ORV access it is about helping extinction along.



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Anything over zero is considered a comeback? Really?


YES, really. Threatened and endangered species didn't get that classification overnight and yet some expect a immediate "comeback" and want to whine and complain when they do not see immediate positive results.

Ergo, a minus is negative, zero is null and one is positive. YIPPEE


I just would have expected a higher # of fledglings from 17 nests. If each nest produced 3 eggs (51), 2 fledglings = .04 ... And this with no storms to speak of. If, indeed, eggs/fledglings were lost to predation, as article suggests, perhaps human presence on the beach could be a productive thing, in keeping predators at bay.


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"I have stated it before and will again, it's not about the birds, it's about getting people off the beaches."

That is the weakest lamest argument of all. When I read crap like that (and your not the first the first to regurgitate this) all I can think is pitiful.

That is like saying it is not about ORV access it is about helping extinction along.


Laughing smiley ok


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Anything over zero is considered a comeback? Really?


YES, really. Threatened and endangered species didn't get that classification overnight and yet some expect a immediate "comeback" and want to whine and complain when they do not see immediate positive results.

Ergo, a minus is negative, zero is null and one is positive. YIPPEE


I just would have expected a higher # of fledglings from 17 nests. If each nest produced 3 eggs (51), 2 fledglings = .04 ... And this with no storms to speak of. If, indeed, eggs/fledglings were lost to predation, as article suggests, perhaps human presence on the beach could be a productive thing, in keeping predators at bay.


Other than conservation/protection I fail to see any positive aspect of human presence to threatened and endangered species.

I cannot follow your thinking that human presence would keep predators at bay. Please explain how this would happen without affecting the endangered/threatened species.


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"Other than conservation/protection I fail to see any positive aspect of human presence, etc"

^ isn't conservation and protection positive enuf'?

....as to the predation and human presence...
I am suggesting that humans on the beach help to keep predators from eggs, chicks, thus reducing the #s lost.


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"Other than conservation/protection I fail to see any positive aspect of human presence, etc"

^ isn't conservation and protection positive enuf'?

....as to the predation and human presence...
I am suggesting that humans on the beach help to keep predators from eggs, chicks, thus reducing the #s lost.


Not even close. Folks who are in involved in T&E species conservation and protection are there only for those specific reasons. This does not include the folks who are on their way to kayak, fish, ORV use, swim or use the area for their personal pleasure ... nothing wrong with those activities; however it is a real stretch to say that they are providing conservation and/or protection while enjoying those wants.

If human use is considered keeping predators from the T&E species, how is that presence affecting the species ....I would think lots.



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"I have stated it before and will again, it's not about the birds, it's about getting people off the beaches."

That is the weakest lamest argument of all. When I read crap like that (and your not the first the first to regurgitate this) all I can think is pitiful.

That is like saying it is not about ORV access it is about helping extinction along.


Laughing smiley ok


Apologies I get worked up over that one.


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"I have stated it before and will again, it's not about the birds, it's about getting people off the beaches."

That is the weakest lamest argument of all. When I read crap like that (and your not the first the first to regurgitate this) all I can think is pitiful.

That is like saying it is not about ORV access it is about helping extinction along.


Laughing smiley ok


Apologies I get worked up over that one.


no problem, hey if these buffer and closures were producing higher fledge rates every year, most of these talking points/ my opinion would be invalid, but 2 fledged chicks this year, one could easily argue that could be done with no buffer/closures.


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Alright! We're finally back on our most favorite topic! Let's sling some mud!



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MMM
Avian management is not my expertise. I think the park had past years with zero fledged chicks. Likely there are additional unidentified variables impacting the birds. I think it would be difficult to say that the variables the park is trying to manage have no impact to success. The park lost their trapper a while back and coyotes have now shown up on HI. And you can't manage what you don't know.

I have meet with all the enviro people involved with CHNS and good many of the ORVers. The enviro people absolutely have no agenda of kicking people off the beach. They are worried about the resource. The ORVers leaders for the most part care less about anything other than fishing and ORV access., a handful of them like sea turtles. Some view birds as nuisances that impact their fun.


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MMM
Avian management is not my expertise. I think the park had past years with zero fledged chicks. Likely there are additional unidentified variables impacting the birds. I think it would be difficult to say that the variables the park is trying to manage have no impact to success. The park lost their trapper a while back and coyotes have now shown up on HI. And you can't manage what you don't know.

I have meet with all the enviro people involved with CHNS and good many of the ORVers. The enviro people absolutely have no agenda of kicking people off the beach. They are worried about the resource. The ORVers leaders for the most part care less about anything other than fishing and ORV access., a handful of them like sea turtles. Some view birds as nuisances that impact their fun.


ok...LOL!!! Party


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Dr. Bubba

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Dr. Bubba

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Although you show it frequently, no thanks. Rainbow


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The ORVers leaders for the most part care less about anything other than fishing and ORV access., a handful of them like sea turtles. Some view birds as nuisances that impact their fun.


I like to fish, own a 4wd, use it to get to the water’s edge, and care about the birds and turtles. I just happen to believe the closures currently in place are WAY too restrictive and that there is a better way to manage the resources the NPS is trying to protect!

I also think the majority of those who regularly fish the Outer Banks by ORV would agree with me.




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There are relatively successful and reasonable ways to protect nests from avian predators (at least according to the protection folks) but no good way to protect fledged fuzzies from our raptor visitors.
My wife and I have seen 5-6 different species of raptors on HI and watched two that hung around the point for a week or two that we were there. While some outrageous measures have been taken, like poisoning crows in New England so they couldn't rob nests, it is very unlikely that those protecting birds nesting in areas where their success rate is marginal at best will want to destroy protected raptors. I think it is .......well, nature!


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