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Cape Point Ramp Still Flooded?




Has the water receded? I'd like to fish the Point this weekend.


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NPS has a Facebook page and they post updates usually around 10am each day. Additional updates are posted when needed. This is from yesterday's posting:

Cape Point-Buxton- Hatteras Area

— Ramp 43 remains closed to ORV access but open to pedestrian access
— Ramp 44 remains closed to ORV access but open to pedestrian access
— Ramp 45 remains closed
— Ramp 49 remains closed to ORV access but open to pedestrian access
— UPDATED! Ramp 55 and Pole Road remain closed to ORV access but open to pedestrian access
— UPDATED! Frisco Day Use Area bathrooms have reopened
— UPDATED! Hatteras Weather Station has reopened

What today's update brings, who knows.

www.facebook.com/CapeHatt...


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It was closed this AM to be honest the sand is horrifically soft I would wait a few days. It is a great workout to walk it but it will firm up with a few more days.


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Alexy

Can you drive all the way to ramps 43 and 44 now or is it still flooded?

Yu say that you walked it. From where?

Gino


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Roads blocked by that little picnic area just past the road to the light houseas of 3pm today...


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Still blocked today right at the Buxton Woods. I was able to run back there and about a mile down the road all is still flooded.


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It can be simply drained if the public calls for it . This is how it was done for decades.

NPS could ask for a simple permit from NCDEQ/DEWR to drain the swamp for public safety. Open the sluice gate on 45. Cut a small slough from the salt pond to the hook and it will drain in a few days. Come tomorrow call the nps as we have been and petition them to take this simple action to preserve public safety (water quality) and visitor enjoyment.


Good luck with that!




We spent last week in Buxton. Flooded everywhere. There were 2 helicopters flying low and slow on Friday morning surveying the damage. I imagine this picture came from them. The entire cape is very wet and the drainage rules mean it is likely to stay that way for a while to come. Sad smiley




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As of 10:00 am this morning Sunday 6/11. No.




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Don't they still have drains? I remember many years ago after big storms they would open the drains to release the water from the storms.


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yep...drains are still there.....
but opening them is a whole other can of worms.



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Alexy

Can you drive all the way to ramps 43 and 44 now or is it still flooded?

Yu say that you walked it. From where?

Gino

Walked 55 out and south was very fluffy and even very capable 4x4 vehicles that had aired down were having trouble.


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Why aren't they already opening these drains? I'm serious. Is there a reason to not use them?
Reading this, it sounds as tho it's the thing to do, and would be better done earlier than later.


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Judyk

It's my understanding that legally for some reason the NPS can't. There was mention of this in the IFP article about the flooding last week.

Gino


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There is a brief mention of the drains in this article, however it does not go into explanations. There are a couple of comments that talk about the drains... It would be handy to read/hear some detailed facts as to the regulations.

"Hallac is hopeful that the flooding will recede over the next few days and before the holiday weekend.

However, the Ramp 44-campground area could be problematic. Environmental regulations prohibit seashore managers from draining the area, as they once did."

www.islandfreepress.org/2...


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The Comments section of the IFP article offer some info on why they cannot be opened.


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True, however I'd like to see exactly what the regulations say so as to understand why they exist and how it is that if enough people contact them (as has been suggested) that these regulations could be overruled. Just trying to get the big picture and understand it all.


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OK, I did some searching and found this very interesting article on the Island Free Press from October 13, 2011 - it's actually a commentary by Jeffrey Golding. At this point, I don't know if there are any more recent findings as to why the NPS refuses to open those drains... According to this piece, it's because they're not allowed to:

Here is a partial quote refering to the flooding.

"...that the color of the water is a "tea brown" caused by rotting vegetation. The part that's missing is the stench and the inordinate number of mosquitoes that are breeding in these waters and the obvious threat to human health. Not just from the mosquitoes, but from the septic system at the campground, which could easily float, the bacteria contained therein, and the threat to the aquifer that both residents and visitors to this island rely upon for fresh water as our supply comes from the wells established here and not upon water pumped from up north (meaning Nags Head and points beyond).

The blame for this issue is not Jan DeBlieu's but rests squarely in the lap of NPS. The issue she raised back in 2003 was that NPS had constructed drains to allow disposal of water from the ocean overwash as a result of Hurricane Isabel without applying for an emergency permit from the North Carolina Department of Water Quality. Shortly after Isabel hit the island, Ms. DeBlieu flew over the island to survey the impact and discovered these new drains, then contacted the state to inquire about the permits, which are required by law. As it turns out NPS and then Superintendent Larry Belli had never applied for the permits and had taken matters into their own hands.

The concern, of course, was that significant amounts of E. coli bacteria would be entering the ocean, which could infect fishes and swimmers coming into contact with these waters. NPS also neglected to post warning signs of this hazard, as they are required to do.

As you can see in the photo of drainage in the works, post Isabel in 2003, that's some rather nasty looking stuff headed south. The drain was one of apparently three cut by NPS to deal with the flooding.

So let's stop blaming someone who was just doing her job and put the fault where it belongs. What's happening at the seashore rests clearly within NPS responsibility and, of late, we've seen yet another glaring example of the agency’s intentional mismanagement of our trust and the area we gave them to protect.

It's sadly ironic that NPS claims that they must close vast areas of our recreational area to, as they advertise, "preserve for future generations," while at the same time, they destroy a maritime forest, which by law they are required to preserve, and so blatantly create and preserve public health hazards that can serve no real purpose other than to drive residents and visitors away from our treasured resource.

The fact is NPS could obtain a permit to drain this area if they applied for an emergency permit from the NCDWQ. Obviously, they're not interested and would rather drive us away and subject the residents and visitors to potential infections of West Nile Virus not to mention the damage done by this standing water to vehicles, which by the way, include those driven by NPS as we own them too.."

Would really like to hear from some of you in the know if this is still where "it" stands today? Meanwhile, I shall keep reading,

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Yes it was and is Jan DeBlieu's fault. One person made the call to stop the draining and no one stood up to do the right thing. As others have pointed out, we are left with a rotting maritime forest In a swamp that could easily be remedied. The justification at that time is that rainwater, freshwater, would 'degrade ocean quality.' So when Jan got the gate closed after her flyby, with no ground inspection, it sat and then the e-coli excuse came up. As a result we are left with a swamp. And a campground that is not available. And roads and access to visitors closed.

Hey, guess what? Dilution is the solution. This is freshwater, same as what drains out via rivers, creeks and sounds. Drain it to protect public health and safety. Yesterday.


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From reading this it sounds like buck-passing
I can't imagine that sloppy mess being allowed to stand being good for anything, and should have probably been addressed earlier.
No comment on who's at fault, just wish somebody would step up and fix it.


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Bottom line,,,, if the drains are left open as the water comes in it picks up nothing more than the run off that would occur naturally. Bu leaving them closed for /hours/days/eternity it turns what started as rain water and naturally occuring ground effuence into a putrid mess


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NPS is just a bad neighbor


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Is there any kind of group that is trying to get this addressed?

And thank you to you all who are in residents, full or part time for your input.


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Perhaps we should ask Dave Hallac for the actual current status?


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IFP update

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Gino


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