Offshore drilling

Offshore drilling




Good article in yesterday's NYT.

www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/divide-grows-in-southeast-over-offshore-drilling-plan.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad&_r=0


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We have the finest politicians that money can buy.


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Good article in yesterday's NYT.


Looks like the NYTimes is drilling for opinions rather than facts.


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We have the finest politicians that money can buy.


Yes and what I don't understand is why the voters keep returning them to office.


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We have this in common. We need more than 2 parties and we need to revamp the Electoral College. The lesserof 2 evils is still evil.


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Thanks, Robert - I read that one as well.

I'm with you, Fortyfish, on the electoral college, for sure. Each citizen's vote should count. I vote for "the popular vote".

Here are some other sources of information, for those who are interested and may have missed them: http://www.coastalreview.org/category/specialreports/offshore-drilling-series/ (3 pages of articles) and http://outerbanksvoice.com/2015/08/12/n-c-state-prof-dissects-purported-benefits-of-offshore-drilling/



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I'm with you, Fortyfish, on the electoral college, for sure. Each citizen's vote should count. I vote for "the popular vote".

We live in a republic not a democracy.


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How about a representative democracy, a constitutional democracy as well as a constitutional republic - or a constitutional federal representative democracy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/

Truth be told, I'd never really thought about this in depth until your post, Alexy.


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We have this in common. We need more than 2 parties and we need to revamp the Electoral College. The lesserof 2 evils is still evil.


Agree with the idea of more than two parties, but how would you change the electoral college?




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Maybe disappear it. Also 'Super Delegates'. Whatever it takes to make 3rd parties more viable. If the Libertrian Candidate can get on the ballot he has my vote. If not, I'll vote Green party, NRA party, Communist Party any one who isn't aligned with the 2 major parties. Yes it's a wasted vote but for me so is a vote for Trump, Clinton or any of the other despicable wannabes on either side. Sanders wants to be perceived as an outsider but he has been in the club for years and has voted for the same stupid stuff the rest of congress did.
EDIT - TO the political police - bite me.


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... EDIT - TO the political police - bite me ...


Theeth smiley

This is the first time I've ever felt that I don't want to vote. I don't even think there will be a "hold my nose and cast a ballot" candidate.

I may do what a young guy on a car web site I frequent posted. He's voted for the third party candidate in the last few elections, as long as he isn't a raving lunatic. Theeth smiley


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Gary Johnson is a third party. I could easily make an argument that he is a far superior candidate to anything in the RNC or DNC clown cars......



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Maybe disappear it. Also 'Super Delegates'. Whatever it takes to make 3rd parties more viable. If the Libertrian Candidate can get on the ballot he has my vote. If not, I'll vote Green party, NRA party, Communist Party any one who isn't aligned with the 2 major parties. Yes it's a wasted vote but for me so is a vote for Trump, Clinton or any of the other despicable wannabes on either side. Sanders wants to be perceived as an outsider but he has been in the club for years and has voted for the same stupid stuff the rest of congress did.
EDIT - TO the political police - bite me.



The Electoral College still does it's job. 2000 was the last time we elected a President that did not win the Popular vote. In fact there have only been a few times when the President who won the Popular Vote did not win the Electoral College. The people who cry the loudest to rip this up, fail to recognize this though.

The Super Delegate nonsense you described has absolutely nothing to do with the Electoral College.

And I am like Paul. There is not even a lesser evil candidate.




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If the Electoral College is doing it's job given the character of the last several presidents it's failing miserably.


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If the Electoral College is doing it's job given the character of the last several presidents it's failing miserably.


At the end of the day the Electoral College is only doing what the people are telling it to do, based on how each state voted.

In this case the people gave us Bush 43 and Obama 44.





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It's not as simple as "one" might think: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html and if one clicks on some hyperlinks one may find, among other things: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#selection


Are there restrictions on who the Electors can vote for?
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties’ nominees. Some State laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors"; may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.

Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party’s candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.

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Hey - wait - isn't the discussion of politics disallowed on this forum?

How about we go back to "offshore drilling"? Thumbs up


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Well in fact the politicians are "drilling" us all so it is still on topic.


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How about we go back to "offshore drilling"? Thumbs up


Well-timed shot Theeth smiley



outerbanksvoice.com/2016/03/08/a-historic-day-celebrating-the-fruition-of-a-20-year-effort/


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Can you explain a bit more what you mean? I am quite interested.


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Can you explain a bit more what you mean? I am quite interested.


I was reading the OBV article on the Bonner groundbreaking at link below and saw the picture. I thought the picture related to this thread and thought I would share since it was on topic.

Sorry...my family gets on me all the time about my weird sense of humor. I enjoyed the irony.

Confused smiley

outerbanksvoice.com/2016/03/08/a-historic-day-celebrating-the-fruition-of-a-20-year-effort/


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Wonder who paid for that banner plane. Timing and circling was not a coincidence.


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Wonder who paid for that banner plane. Timing and circling was not a coincidence.

NottheAnswerNC.org is funded by our local Surfrider chapter.


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A belated thanks for the explanations.

I do like the website, Maslin: http://nottheanswernc.org/our-community/